rorax wrote:Again....
1. Where are all the 56 people who voted in this poll so far?
2. If 1/3 of that number actually played , we had enough players to start at level 0 and go in large groups to enjoy the safety of numbers.
3. Since 56(so far) does not seems like a realistic number of people who actually do something around actively , i think participation should have been limited to people with some minimal number of votes.
According to zicada (the latest numbers I could find) show that between the 7th and 14th of July we had 53 players active, logging into a server. In the three months leading up to the 14th, there were 96 players. The numbers are out there - they just hibernate when DM numbers are low (as they are now).
4. I think that "comments" should have been forced as well, it seems some people changed their mind from NO to YES, i wonder what make people do 180 degrees turn in few days.
Nonsense. Running any survey, you want to make things as simple as possible to get feedback. You add loops to jump through and the numbers will drop off. We want as many active ALFA members as possible answering, not just 10 noisy ones who like to post the same view a dozen times in a single thread.
5. I think the decision of the majority should be respected
One of ALFA's biggest faults over the years has been this black and white thinking. It's not one extreme or another. I see 46% voting Yes, and 44% voting No. This to me says COMPROMISE. Now if it were >75% voting one way, I might be sold on the black and white thing. Especially with such a big change as this, I need to see more than a 2% margin to view things in a black and white scale.
1. New players who just look for easier start
2. Retired players who just visit the forums once in a while, and starting at higher level might actually bring them back.
3. Established players who died during the poll and look for easier start. Otherwise i can't explain how someone changed his decision from "NO" to "YES".
Now, those all 3 things are not necessarily bad ones. But each one should think if he wants those part of the communities to make the decision for the rest and take part in votes first places.
Yes, if i would build the democracy then kids who did not taste life yet should be prevented from voting and people who left the country and come back only to visit once in a while should be prevented as well.
New players are our future. Past players do return often. And I think #3 is extremely pessimistic and quite frankly inaccurate.
I could argue that only those who have experienced the days when we had 2 PCs in ALFA should be able to vote, or maybe those who have been around long enough to have played NWN1 at it's peak. When you come to saying "No - you're too new, you can't vote" you get into muddy waters.
I could very well say you, rorax, are too new to have a vote - you weren't here in the early days of Live; you weren't here during the Quake; you weren't a part of the community when the charter was drafted up; you weren't around when the discussion that lead to the pillars were had; you weren't here when all the plans were laid for our transition into Neverwinter Nights 2. I could argue that you've got absolutely no idea what this community is about - no more so than someone who has been here a month.
I could say this, but I won't. It's a load of bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, one member's vote is the same as any other. Regalis' vote (who joined a month and a half ago) holds no more sway than Magile's vote (who has been here since the Beta days).
In the end of the day, I left the poll running for 14 days for a reason. It gives people a chance to discuss it, and change their mind.
My take on the poll? If it stays like this, with both Yes and No fairly close, I think change of some sort is needed. Whether that be a new starting level, or one of the other great suggestions to come out of this thread. Either way, so long as both are close, I'll definitely be pushing this onto the Admin and some change will happen.
