Yeah, so, it actually doesNickD wrote:At least WoW doesn't have quests that are all exact carbon copies of each other and I really like how it's a different starting depending on what race you play.
While there are plenty of "kill x amount of x monsters" or "collect x amount of x monster parts", there are also other types of quests, including finding items, exploring locations and delivery quests. While this doesn't have the depth of some (but not all) SP CRPGs, it's significantly better than the quests in CoV, where they were all "go into a building/sewer/location and kill the boss". The powers in CoH/CoV are much cooler though.Swift wrote:Yeah, so, it actually does
You know how you have to kill 8 wolves as one of your very firsts quests? Yeah, expect to be doing that everywhere you go until you hit level 70, they are just harder wolves lol
It all leads to the same thing. If your told to go explore some place, the next quest in the chain has you killing x named mob in previously explored place. Most delivery quests serve to send you to quest hubs so you can pick up more "kill x of x", "gather x of x" and "explore x so you can kill x named" quests. Believe me, with 3 level 70's and a host of mid 40's ive quested WoW to the max, and there is a distinct sense of sameness about alot that you do.NickD wrote:While there are plenty of "kill x amount of x monsters" or "collect x amount of x monster parts", there are also other types of quests, including finding items, exploring locations and delivery quests. While this doesn't have the depth of some (but not all) SP CRPGs, it's significantly better than the quests in CoV, where they were all "go into a building/sewer/location and kill the boss". The powers in CoH/CoV are much cooler though.Swift wrote:Yeah, so, it actually does
You know how you have to kill 8 wolves as one of your very firsts quests? Yeah, expect to be doing that everywhere you go until you hit level 70, they are just harder wolves lol
Sure, but you can say that about pretty much every single CRPG out there. Fallout, Planescape, NWN, WoW, Diablo. All a series of quests that involve you going around killing things and moving onto the next hub of quests that involve you killing things. Some do it much better than others. For an MMO I don't think WoW does it too bad. Others have certainly done much worse.Swift wrote:It all leads to the same thing. If your told to go explore some place, the next quest in the chain has you killing x named mob in previously explored place. Most delivery quests serve to send you to quest hubs so you can pick up more "kill x of x", "gather x of x" and "explore x so you can kill x named" quests. Believe me, with 3 level 70's and a host of mid 40's ive quested WoW to the max, and there is a distinct sense of sameness about alot that you do.
WHAT?NickD wrote:Sure, but you can say that about pretty much every single CRPG out there. Fallout, Planescape, NWN, WoW, Diablo. All a series of quests that involve you going around killing things and moving onto the next hub of quests that involve you killing things. Some do it much better than others. For an MMO I don't think WoW does it too bad. Others have certainly done much worse.
Why? They're basically the same game. You play a character with stats and experience and levels in a top down view magical fantasy setting game who goes around killing progressively harder to kill monsters until you get to the end.Cassiel wrote:WHAT?NickD wrote:Sure, but you can say that about pretty much every single CRPG out there. Fallout, Planescape, NWN, WoW, Diablo. All a series of quests that involve you going around killing things and moving onto the next hub of quests that involve you killing things. Some do it much better than others. For an MMO I don't think WoW does it too bad. Others have certainly done much worse.
HOW DARE YOU INCLUDE PLANESCAPE TORMENT IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS DIABLO?
I say we burn him.
Like I said, some games do it better than others, but ultimately all CRPGs are about doing quests that involve you going around killing things. Some may give you the options to not fight, but what percentage of players really go through an entire game without killing things? You can also not do the side quests that involve killing things, but then you can do the exact same thing in WoW. You don't have to do any quests at all. You can spend your time cooking and mining and collecting herbs and hiding from all the monsters if you really want to.Mulu wrote:Well, in Planescape killing was a means to an end, not an end itself like in the MMO's, and often you could avoid fighting. I still remember disguising my PC as a zombie to get out of the first area... brilliant stuff.
SP NWN mods don't fit into the equation because they're not made to make money or even necessarily appeal to a mass market.Lots of SP mods have plot as their major component, rather than combat, and of course you could make an SP mod with no combat at all. But yeah, fantasy combat is the genre after all.
While I agree that MMOs are more explicit about it, what I'm saying is almost all CRPGs are just levelling treadmills. Some just put a better story around it than others.Personally I can't bring myself to play WoW, or any MMO, I hate leveling treadmills.
Psh, most games like this usually reward you for avoiding the hack-and-slash approach.NickD wrote:Like I said, some games do it better than others, but ultimately all CRPGs are about doing quests that involve you going around killing things. Some may give you the options to not fight, but what percentage of players really go through an entire game without killing things?Mulu wrote:Well, in Planescape killing was a means to an end, not an end itself like in the MMO's, and often you could avoid fighting. I still remember disguising my PC as a zombie to get out of the first area... brilliant stuff.
Poor NickD has no friends heremxlm wrote:I think any game in which you can defeat the end boss by commiting suicide or willing him out of existence can't be compared to Diablo.
