Amn PC's

[dergon darkhelm]

I voted yes with the full understanding that I don't actually like the idea of importing PCs.

I just weight the benefits relative to the drawbacks and personally think it weights a bit in favor of "the get more players in game".

I would hope that people would look at this as a once only a magnanimous gesture with hopes to re- recruit estranged ex-ALFAns.


That said, it wouldn't take a ton of arguing to push me to a "No" vote if other people felt strongly opposed.

[Mateusz IV]

I voted yes, I did play on exodus for some time, and (back then) the "hardcore" was at the same level as ALFA (or even higher perhaps as AMN was low magic for IC/story reasons not only OCC "rules") and number of statics one could count on both hands (and XP rewards for them were a joke in comparision to current BG static rewards).

Guys who played there did level up slow and with low magic (again - when i was there, dont know how was it "near end") and giving them a chance to bring their Amn characters "back to life" in ALFA will be a nice thing to do for those RPing players who were playing there.

[oldgrayrogue]

I also beleive it would be a very nice gesture to welcome returning players into the fold of ALFA. The only concern with this type of an "import" of PCs to me is that the advancement was based on hardcore roleplay and not just a hack and slash grind. From all accounts that is not an issue. T-Ice's proposal seems particularly reasonable. As to holes or anomalies in the PCs XP record and stas, just place a note of the initial XP and wealth gain in their bios. I would also require each PC to submit a bio. If the idea is Amn lore continuity then the DM corps should be aware of what that history is and each imported PCs place in it. Finally, the issue of any advantage due to the availability of low level statics should be addressed, and I would hope that these imported PCs would at a minimum agree under the honor system not to abuse the trust being extended to them in this special case should this be approved.

[Brokenbone]

Dumb question, who is coming back?

Only got impression that current active members are maybe interested in the flexibility of having a second instant and "viable" character.

But maybe this is because "people out there who went away with Exodus" aren't, y'know, posting in our forums.

[Mazmaz]

Yes.
More love, less hate.

[Darkmystic]

More love and more fairness, dont let people be special and bring in high lvl people. Let -everyone- struggle the same in Alfa to get higher, if someone who is new is gona get benefits then wheres my benefits for dming people for hours after hours?

Dont treat anyone special and if you do, then I want my special share.

[Keryn]

NwN2 has a huge community? No

ALFA needs more players/DMs? Yes

When Rotku shook hands with Java and they worked out a cooperation we gave steps to bring the two worlds together.

With Amn finally being set inside ALFA the project comes to a realization.

Looking at the first two questions. And this obviously being a special case where we brought into ALFA a world already built, why can't we simply be nice folks and give the few players that could join us and give some playerbase to the server a go?

The other day we all debated how some servers are empty, this would be great for Amn in several fronts and awesome for ALFA in terms of player retention.

I voted Yes. For everything mentioned above, which seems a no brainer to me.

[Heero]

I voted yes because I simply dont care one way or the other.

[I-KP]

More love and more fairness, dont let people be special and bring in high lvl people. Let -everyone- struggle the same in Alfa to get higher, if someone who is new is gona get benefits then wheres my benefits for dming people for hours after hours?
Dont treat anyone special and if you do, then I want my special share.

Exodus was, for most intents and purposes, an unbridged ALFA server. It shared the same ideal as ALFA; it shared that same technology and technical expertise (AL); it shared the same progression level (if anything Exo was slower); it shared the same degree of top quality RP; it even shared some players and DMs. There really wasn’t much clear air to see between the two games and it wasn’t labelled as being a sister project to ALFA for no good reason. The players have all logged about the same amount of game time as anyone here, under the same standards of DM stewardship that ALFA requires; therefore I would say that there are no issues of fairness to crow about. It’s not as if they’re plucking high level characters out of their arse just to laugh at you; they’ve already put the hours in – maybe you just didn’t see it happen.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if we saw as many as a half dozen Amn PCs being rebuilt.

[Adanu]

More love and more fairness, dont let people be special and bring in high lvl people. Let -everyone- struggle the same in Alfa to get higher, if someone who is new is gona get benefits then wheres my benefits for dming people for hours after hours?
Dont treat anyone special and if you do, then I want my special share.

Exodus was, for most intents and purposes, an unbridged ALFA server. It shared the same ideal as ALFA; it shared that same technology and technical expertise (AL); it shared the same progression level (if anything Exo was slower); it shared the same degree of top quality RP; it even shared some players and DMs. There really wasn’t much clear air to see between the two games and it wasn’t labelled as being a sister project to ALFA for no good reason. The players have all logged about the same amount of game time as anyone here, under the same standards of DM stewardship that ALFA requires; therefore I would say that there are no issues of fairness to crow about. It’s not as if they’re plucking high level characters out of their arse just to laugh at you; they’ve already put the hours in – maybe you just didn’t see it happen.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if we saw as many as a half dozen Amn PCs being rebuilt.

Darkmystic doesn't see levels as being integral to RP.

[Veilan]

Fairness is indeed a consideration in this all.

While this poll will no doubt help inform the PA's position in the talks he started, I am currently mulling, as a theoretical, another question for my own Administration, which deals with fairness.

For example's sake, let's assume the whole Administration decides to go with this - to allow an xp transfer from an old character to a new one (where the Amnians presumably would choose their Amnish characters). Right now, I am contemplating whether fairness then would not dictate that this offer must be extended to all ALFA members, because clearly, ALFA members cannot be disadvantaged for not having left to play in a project that was specifically designed to break with ALFA.

There are other aspects of fairness - but I do not know how to address these. Such as a condition that every ALFAn would have to be allowed to write-in an existing relationship with the Amn DMs and server? Rather fiercely impractical, but I assume that can be handwaved, or say, be the "trade-off" for a conditation that would say "all Amnians can transfer their current xp to a re-roll of an Amnian character, keep his story, low wealth for his level, etc. - all ALFAns can transfeir their current xp to a re-roll of any char they wish" - negating the Amnians the option to choose a character different than their Amn character. But would that then be considered fair?

Quite frankly, I'm at a loss so far how to do this without disadvantaging anyone. The overwhelmingly rational, but somewhat heartless stance, would be to stick to the initial agreements made with the Exodus council - no carryovers, just like there are no carryovers from Haven, Avlis or World of Warcraft. However, that does not seem to be an option I feel is entirely fair, considering the fact that we welcomed the prodigal son back to us with open arms, and would undermine that process if we kept rubbing it in that Exodus tried to snub their noses at us and failed (like I just did! ). While that's certainly twisted fun, I'm not convinced it'd be entirely constructive or helpful, heh.

Ah well. Maybe some sort of compromise might be in order, so let the idea searching and debate continue!

0.02€,

[I-KP]

"all Amnians can transfer their current xp to a re-roll of an Amnian character, keep his story, low wealth for his level, etc. - all ALFAns can transfeir their current xp to a re-roll of any char they wish"

If some ALFAns feel that they would be disadvantaged by allowing some Exo:Amn PCs to be rebuilt within ALFA:Amn then perhaps those disadvantages should be laid bare and explained clearly, i.e., something a little more descriptive than 'I just don't like it'. That way the issue can be debated directly and productively rather than with vagaries and the presumption of aggrievement.

How many Exo:Amn players are interested in doing this? This may yet all be much ado about nowt.

[Veilan]

If someone gets an option someone else doesn't get then it's a disadvantage for the first one - I'm not sure how "feelings" play a role in that, especially not if it's pretty easy to just make it without disadvantaging anyone... by giving everyone the same offer.

As an example, if we ever were to move to a level 2 start, I would insist on every existing ALFA character also getting 1000xp free.

Cheers,

[Adanu]

Amn PCs have had more time and effort put into them then their ALFA counterparts. They got markedly less XP then what is ALFA standards. If Damien played by ALFA rules, he'd be level 9-10 by now.

I am one of those who might consider a swap. It'll depend on what is offered.

[Keryn]

If someone gets an option someone else doesn't get then it's a disadvantage for the first one - I'm not sure how "feelings" play a role in that, especially not if it's pretty easy to just make it without disadvantaging anyone... by giving everyone the same offer.

As an example, if we ever were to move to a level 2 start, I would insist on every existing ALFA character also getting 1000xp free.

Cheers,

Is it not an advantage for ALFA players to see IG numbers increase and have more folks to play with? I thought the juice of ALFA are its players and its a fact that the more we have IG, more want to be IG. After all this is a social game too.

I cannot really understand this idea that folks from ALFA would feel cheated... or on a disadvantage. Like I-KP said I fail to see where anyone would lose :S

Wait i can see where we can lose, we can lose on the possibility to embrace a few more players that would fit our game style perfectly. By acting in a way that does not conform with our position at first regarding this, as Veilan states, we opened our arms to receive Amn, and can't simply kick their butts now. Doesnt sound smart at all.