Ksiel wrote:
My issue with this is everyone is up in arms and raising hell about it, but this incident is pathetic compared to other atrocities of the world that are still going on to the living. Darfur for example... the mass raping, the maiming... those people survive and have to carry their scars. Yet, I see no post on this from you Rorax.
This is a silly post that will do nothing for the community but frustrate members and divide us.
Good job.
What's your point?
This is a an off topic post in an off topic forums, there are endless of other topics to discussed. I would hope that debating and disagreeing would not frustrate community members and divide them as you wrote. There are worse wrongs in this world, like Darfur and many others , we can't bring up and discuss everything here, so we shouldn't discuss anything at all?
Ksiel wrote:
Yet, I see no post on this from you Rorax.
There are around 40000 refugees who fled the battle zones in Africa and came to Israel, many of them are now in Tel Aviv. I volunteer once a month in the community center there to help them and their families(equipment, food , funds, etc). I hope it's good enough to cover up for the fact i did not make a post to discuss it.."
Ksiel wrote:
From what I can gather, the majority of the community are not soldiers, and have not walked in their shoes... I can see where you are in a war, away from home for long periods in a place where the other side does not wear uniforms, uses road side bombs, suicide bombers disguised as civilians, etc... so when you kill them, yeah, you piss on them. Honorable? no... stress relief? yes.
Personally, i agree to most of what you said here. I'm probably 'bribed' since i served as combatant during my mandatory service, and still am in the reserve. I've seen worse and i've been to worse myself, in 2002 during operation defensive shield, we were in operation to arrest Hamas militants in Nablus, during the breakthrough, we were being shot at by someone who took his own child as hostage and used him as a meat shield. I find it much morally worse than pissing on someone who is already dead. That man who shot at us died fews seconds after when the sniper in the team blew his head off(his boy was unharmed). Now, would i be shocked if that sniper who saved our life be pissing on on that man who used his son as a meat shield? probably no , is it justified behavior for a solider? the answer is probably no as well. Soldiers are expected to be above all that and act with professionalism , pissing on someone dead is not a professional behavior...but with the emotional charges i can't be surprised people do that stuff, and it's not always fair to judge them when we don't know the background and the full details.
The media like to show half trues in the good case, perhaps it was the case with the marines here, perhaps not. If we were told that those marines were pissing on dead people who ten minutes before were busy gang raping a 12 years old girl, would it change the reaction towards them and their actions? i bet it would , at least for some people.
To sum it up - paladins who are above anything are common in D&D but not in the real world. I would like to think that most soldiers of the the western armies are good people who slip from time to time and do wrong and bad things as a result from being constantly in extreme situations.
Personally , i rather be pissed on when i am dead than being beheaded when i am alive.
So next time, if you see my toon fighter pissing on a dead orc in game.....piss off.
