Lead should be majority voted

[Amar]

One of the other major duties of Lead Admin is to check/balance power (Charter admendments, veto, etc), so it makes sense to look to the wider community for the choice, to help the general membership feel more invested in the "direction" the project is going.

QFT.. +1

+2

[Faeryl]

This is being worked on/considered. I'll update as it goes along.

[Senor T]

I've always felt strongly that Lead Admin should be a true representative of the entire community. The only valid way to achieve this is for the LA to be elected by the entire community.

[johnlewismcleod]

But to get back on, the reason everyone doesn't vote is that many don't know what they're voting for, its not really possible to make a place like this really democratic in the first place. So the people who actually do the work, should get to decide on who gets to lead them.

Bull. Hear that everyone? If you aren't sticking your hands in the pie, you're obviously stupid and don't have rights!

ALFA's relative to a circle jerk. Always has been, always will be.

~Kill~

I tried to resist posting, but just couldn't....I've got to say that using this type of language in our forums is not only in extremely bad taste, but is counterproductive IMO. I've seen forum debates nose-dive into name calling and personal attacks before and it is poison not only to the topic of the discussion, but to the community as a whole.

I'm just a newbie here and don't wish to set myself up as some sort of self-appointed "forum police", but I find this type of language distressing and just couldn't remain silent.

I get passionate about topics just like everyone else, but that is exactly when we all must excerise restraint and choose our words most carefully. Ideas are conveyed much more clearly without name-calling and personal attacks.

I will consider myself rebuffed with a "Get stuffed, wanker!" in advance, so please don't bother.

[Magile]

I tried to resist posting, but just couldn't....I've got to say that using this type of language in our forums is not only in extremely bad taste, but is counterproductive IMO. I've seen forum debates nose-dive into name calling and personal attacks before and it is poison not only to the topic of the discussion, but to the community as a whole.

I'm just a newbie here and don't wish to set myself up as some sort of self-appointed "forum police", but I find this type of language distressing and just couldn't remain silent.

I get passionate about topics just like everyone else, but that is exactly when we all must excorise restraint and choose our words most carefully. Ideas are conveyed much more clearly without name-calling and personal attacks.

I will consider myself rebuffed with a "Get stuffed, wanker!" in advance, so please don't bother.

He's a disgruntled old player who pretty much has been in a love/hate relationship with ALFA for a year or two now. I suppose most of us have just learned to ignore it (the name-calling, that is). Majority of us would agree with you, however, that the language/attitude is uncalled for.

[Rotku]

Well said, John

[Duck One]

The original intent of the division of the powers of the administration was to distribute responsibilities. The idea was very simply to have the admins chosen by those they lead. The lead admin was:

to be the public face of ALFA

to support the other admins by helping manage when issues crossed administration lines (i.e. two or more administrator's domains were impacted)

to manage administrative meetings

In this they were given veto power over any admin. It was logical then that the lead admin be chosen by and answer to the other admins and their staff.

Every member of ALFA has a voice. Players have the PA, DM's the DMA, etc, and therefore they have an indirect voice over the choice of the lead admin. It could be a very counter-productive relationship if a lead admin was installed by the masses which wasn't supported by the other admins

[mother]

It's the Duck!
For those who don't know, be very wary of the Duck. His words are like honeyed poison and he is the evil mastermind behind the fall of ALFA from its original purpose. Supplanter! Usurper!
Duck.

[Faeryl]

The original intent of the division of the powers of the administration was to distribute responsibilities. The idea was very simply to have the admins chosen by those they lead. The lead admin was:

to be the public face of ALFA

to support the other admins by helping manage when issues crossed administration lines (i.e. two or more administrator's domains were impacted)

to manage administrative meetings

In this they were given veto power over any admin. It was logical then that the lead admin be chosen by and answer to the other admins and their staff.

Every member of ALFA has a voice. Players have the PA, DM's the DMA, etc, and therefore they have an indirect voice over the choice of the lead admin. It could be a very counter-productive relationship if a lead admin was installed by the masses which wasn't supported by the other admins

Hello Duck! It's nice to see so many familiar faces poking their heads in again. Thanks for your input.

Initially, I agreed with what you said. But now that I've spent a month as LA, I have to disagree. ALFA is different. There is a sense of cooperation between everyone that I had never seen before. Those who remain are here because they love the game, love to build, love to script, love ALFA. ALFA is much smaller, more compact. It's friendlier, with less concern about who has power over who. With fewer hands to do the work, everyone is more interested in doing the work, rather than arguing about who should do it or how to do it. Even many of the current players have worked behind the scenes at one time or another, and many of the new players coming in are taking an active role in shaping the community

As you say, Lead is the public face of ALFA, and ALFA is now every single person who is working/playing their tail off to make this place hum. It seems fitting that every person should have a say in who their public face is.

[Brokenbone]

Then give PR to the PA, they're the recruiters anyhow, no? Keep the "manager of other admin, their meetings, and vetos" for the LA, who is voted in by only those people they're managing.

[Rotku]

Then give PR to the PA, they're the recruiters anyhow, no? Keep the "manager of other admin, their meetings, and vetos" for the LA, who is voted in by only those people they're managing.

God no. The PA doesn't want PR. The PA believes the PR was moved away from the PA office into the LA office for a good reason. The PA does not believe that such a move should be reversed. And what's more, the PA has had PR already as LA. Once is more than enough, thank you very much. I know when I've lost

[Rotku]

Initially, I agreed with what you said. But now that I've spent a month as LA, I have to disagree. ALFA is different. There is a sense of cooperation between everyone that I had never seen before. Those who remain are here because they love the game, love to build, love to script, love ALFA. ALFA is much smaller, more compact. It's friendlier, with less concern about who has power over who. With fewer hands to do the work, everyone is more interested in doing the work, rather than arguing about who should do it or how to do it. Even many of the current players have worked behind the scenes at one time or another, and many of the new players coming in are taking an active role in shaping the community

As you say, Lead is the public face of ALFA, and ALFA is now every single person who is working/playing their tail off to make this place hum. It seems fitting that every person should have a say in who their public face is.

Faeryl, that has to be one of the nicest things I've seen written about ALFA in years.

[Duck One]

Hello Duck! It's nice to see so many familiar faces poking their heads in again. Thanks for your input.

Initially, I agreed with what you said. But now that I've spent a month as LA, I have to disagree. ALFA is different. There is a sense of cooperation between everyone that I had never seen before. Those who remain are here because they love the game, love to build, love to script, love ALFA. ALFA is much smaller, more compact. It's friendlier, with less concern about who has power over who. With fewer hands to do the work, everyone is more interested in doing the work, rather than arguing about who should do it or how to do it. Even many of the current players have worked behind the scenes at one time or another, and many of the new players coming in are taking an active role in shaping the community

As you say, Lead is the public face of ALFA, and ALFA is now every single person who is working/playing their tail off to make this place hum. It seems fitting that every person should have a say in who their public face is.

I'm glad the tone of ALFA is becoming more positive, and we can hope it continues to progress that direction. However I wouldn't want to structure a system based upon the best case scenario. It's better to have options and not need them than the other way around. In a way, having checks and balances helps to proactively mitigate the need for them as people adjust their behavior accordingly.

As an example, look at the English parliament system and the role of prime minister which is not chosen by the masses. Though he/she is the most public face and the single most powerful person, it is the house of commons which chooses and removes the prime minister. In fact, most Americans don't know that they don't pick their president. The Federal goverment is supposed to govern states, not people, and is organized accordingly. All 50 states have opted to pass along that choice to the results of an election within their state, but states can (and on occasions have) cast their votes based upon other systems in the past. Most recently, the state of Florida in 2000 was prepared to seat a slate of electors chosen by the state legislator if the state commission on election could not decide how the election results were to be managed. Ultimately the commissioner and the courts were able to fashion a result in time, but the legislature within the state constituion has the power to make other choices.

My point is that you need to have the lead admin have accountability to those with whom they have the most direct relationship, the other admin and staff. Whatever is most functional is best, but keep a eye towards the "what if" when fashioning a balanced system. Good luck.