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Lusipher wrote:Fox has Alan Combs (dem).
Token, never gets to say anything good. Scarborough is a hard hitting SOB.
Lusipher wrote:Greta Van Sestren isnt a republican and Bill O reilly is independent.
Ahahahahahahaha!!! Priceless.

You sound like the kind of person I should be selling complex financial instruments to. :twisted:
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Agree with Mulu here. Alan Colmes is just about the worst speaking democrat I've ever met. He's no more a democrat than I am a silent participant in ALFA. He wears the demo hat, but just about every argument he puts forward is used "specifically" as a set-up for Hannity's punchlines. He loses every argument and sets up things for Hannity to slamdunk.

As to, she Greta is way out there. Do some homework on her. She plays well into the hands of Fox and soundly supports the Republican ticket. Same with O'Reilly, who btw is a master at fallacious reasoning (as is Rush Limbaugh). O'Reilly may claim to be independent, but he pushes the Republican agenda all the friggin' time. As he said in the Colbert Report, "it's all an act."
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Here Lusipher/Danubus/Aurora/Bob, read this research article presented in www.fair.org

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1158
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I say put in Matthews or Olberman. I bet the ratings would go through the roof. Liberals and Conservatives watching the same program? FOX would actually be smart to do it, and who knows, maybe viewers could find common ground as a result.

But I agree with Dan that overall, the media has a left bias. I don't think there's a "conspiracy" but it's because a lot of broadcasters and TV hosts happen to have a liberal view. Countdown. Hardball. The View. Letterman. Leno. Colbert. Daily Show. Etc.

And I've seen maybe a half dozen episodes of Scarborough Country. I've never been able to tell whether he's a Republican or a Democrat.

p.s. Dennis Miller an "outspoken conservative comic"? That line in the article above belies the author's independence. Yes, Miller is a Republican, but he's mildly conservative. He's pretty centrist actually - I listen to his radio show most days with his "liberal" sidekick. His big issue is the War on Terror. He is decidedly with the conservatives on that issue.
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And I've seen maybe a half dozen episodes of Scarborough Country. I've never been able to tell whether he's a Republican or a Democrat.
In the early days of him being on MSNBC he would speak openly about his views and present the republican side of things, but since MSNBC started its slide to the left its rather noticable how hes been told to STFU. He rarely gets too deep into conversations nowdays stating his views.
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[quoteAgree with Mulu here. Alan Colmes is just about the worst speaking democrat I've ever met. He's no more a democrat than I am a silent participant in ALFA. He wears the demo hat, but just about every argument he puts forward is used "specifically" as a set-up for Hannity's punchlines. He loses every argument and sets up things for Hannity to slamdunk.[/quote]

I've seen them get into some really heated debates, but your right Combs will puss out. Hannity usually eats him alive, but thats also because Hannity is good at what he does.
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ç i p h é r wrote:I say put in Matthews or Olberman. I bet the ratings would go through the roof.
Until they killed each other, but I agree I'd watch that.
ç i p h é r wrote: And I've seen maybe a half dozen episodes of Scarborough Country. I've never been able to tell whether he's a Republican or a Democrat.
Really? He's pretty hard right. And I think Dennis Miller comes across as centrist also. Put up a topic on evolution or abortion and I bet he'd come across as liberal, for that matter.
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Really? He's pretty hard right
No, not really. Hannity is hard right. Scarborough isnt anywhere near hard right.
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Lusipher wrote: I've seen them get into some really heated debates, but your right Combs will puss out. Hannity usually eats him alive, but thats also because Hannity is good at what he does.
Nope, he's not good at what he does, Colmes just makes him look good by handing the arguments to him. I could easily bury Hannity in a debate.

It's not that Colmes is a bad debater, it's that he's not debating the points that matter. Instead, he argues the points that Hannity "wants" him to debate, the points that are easy wins for debate and that are not the 'meat' of counter argument. I.e., the subject is the vice presidency and instead of arguing how Palin is under investigation, how she hired a lobbyist to obtain millions for the small town she mayored, yet still succeeded in putting that town in debt, how she requested $380 million as a Governor, which is ten times more than any other State, per capita, or that Palin wasn't voted in as VP, but was chosen by McCain in a political move that directly conflicts with his claim of "country first," etc... instead of debating those points, Colmes would argue she's a "woman" or argue about how she's a "beauty queen." Both of which are not only off-base on proper or effective arguments, but which fall directly into the lap of Hannity for brutal counter arguments.

So no, Hannity is not a good debater.
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I actually find these arguments of left vs right to be quite comical. The news was very much in hand with Bush through the first few years, and then slowly changed as they realized just how much Bush and his cronies were lieing, and how wrong the Bushies were on so many levels. The leaning isn't as much left vs right, conservative vs liberal, it's far more along the lines of right and wrong, truth and lies, logic and fallacious reasoning.

You see, at the present state, the efforts of media liberals to point out the fallacious reasoning of media celebrities like Limbaugh has come to be respected by the 'majority.' I.e., people are now listening to those who have been claiming "foul." The media center is most always aligned with the populace center, because that's where the ratings are. As it goes, truth in media does win out, given sufficient time.
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Only because 9/11 galvanized America and, for once, put politics behind country.

As for Bush's lies being the source of the "perceived" bias, he's not in this election, so how would that matter in a campaign between Obama and McCain, or Obama and Clinton for that matter? The "right" hasn't been the only group frustrated with media bias.

Oh, and I'd pay to watch you take on Hannity. If you contact his people and tell them that you're a fervent Obama supporter who'll wipe the floor with him in a debate, I bet he'd do it. Keep us posted. :D
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Yes, you guys live in a bubble. You don't get it. You'll lose again in this election despite Obama's popularity and a less than popular president going out and you just wont understand.

White Warlock, White Warlock, man oh man. Delusional is your middle name. Correct that, it's your first and last name too! You can barely debate Danubus. You're vanity is amusing. Nah, just kidding man, you know I love you. You're the shit.
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to quote The Daily Show


"Facts have a well known liberal bias!"
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dergon darkhelm wrote:to quote The Daily Show


"Facts have a well known liberal bias!"
Yes, subjective and relative facts do have a liberal bias.

Democratic congress was at fault for this economic down-turn. They and the fed could have halted it before it had to come to this but they killed the bill. Unfortunately for democrats, Congress keeps track of these sorta things and are open to the public. . . ;o You could call it public accountability. . . Facts, even.
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The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.

The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.

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Greta Van Sestren isnt a republican and Bill O reilly is independent.

Ahahahahahahaha!!! Priceless.
I think that was a quip about MSNBC labeling their commentators as independent even though they're not. Fox is a fair and balanced albiet right leaning news organization. All and all, they smear less than your average smear artists in the media. Far be it for me to speak for Danubus but it just seems obvious that is what he meant.

Indeed, You sound like the kind of person I should be selling wonder-cure-all tonic to.
Put up a topic on evolution or abortion and I bet he'd come across as liberal, for that matter.
Evolution and abortion are not necessarily liberal view points. On evolution, well, that's science/biology Jack Sprat. - Though woe unto those who DARE question modern darwinism in this free-thinking society, free-thinking no longer.

As far as abortion, republicans can fall into the catagory of either pro-choice though genuinely percieved as a last resort, or anti-abortion. Even though states have abortion (varying degress thereof) the populace is genuinely moral hence abortion is on the delcine. This view depends on whether or not you are a reagan republican, ex-democrat, or republican theist/non-theist.

Obama is a lawyer, s swindler, a hustler, a fraud. More info on his Orewellian PR game.

Cipher doesn't see a conspiracy but I see a systematic manipulation of our media, government, military, and economy. It seems pretty deliberate from people (linked and unlinked individuals) who are pushing a political agenda to, often aggressively so. I expected no less from socialists.
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