McCain taps Palin for VP!

fluffmonster · Post by **fluffmonster** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:37 pm

It should be noted that most people in this country are in fact worse off than they were 8 years ago...the "whiners" as they are so eloquently labeled. Only a relatively small slice at the top is better off. I find it a little amusing that a whole political party is dedicated to preserving the comfort of the very rich.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:40 pm

Agreed, Fluff. I also dont like that part of my party. What I do like about my party is its stance on abortion, gay rights, etc. If there was a party that was in the middle and was a serious party Id move toward it. Im one of those people who are stuggling to get by every year. We both have kids and we know how difficult it is to raise them in these times.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:29 pm

So remind me, is the republican party the one that doesn't believe in equal rights for gays?

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:51 pm

We believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
We believe in pro life.
We believe in traditional values.
We believe in the right to bear arms.

What I dont like about my party is the way it does favor the rich.

I also dont like the fact they dont agree on stem cell research. I do.

I dont like the fact that we dont do enough for education and health care.

I also dont like the fact that the core republican base dont care enough about the environment.

If the party shifted toward the middle more I think it would be in tune with how I feel. I just agree with a good portion of what the party stands for. Im not as hardline as some think I am just on certain issues.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:59 pm

this from Yahoo.com

ST. PAUL, Minn. — The selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate has electrified conservative activists, providing a boost of energy to the GOP nominee-in-waiting from a key constituency that previously had been lukewarm — at best — about him.

By tapping the anti-abortion and pro-gun Alaska governor just ahead of his convention, which is set to start here Monday, McCain hasn’t just won approval from a skeptical Republican base — he’s ignited a wave of elation and emotion that has led some grass-roots activists to weep with joy.

Serious questions remain about McCain’s pick — exactly how much he knows about her and her positions, past and present, on key issues. But for the worker bee core of the party that is essential to any Republican victory, there are no doubts.

“I woke up and my e-mail was just going crazy,” said Charmaine Yoest, head of the legislative arm of Americans United for Life and a former top official in Mike Huckabee’s presidential campaign. “And then when it was announced — it was like you couldn’t breathe.”

The media elite — as well as elite members of the GOP consulting community — have all but mocked Palin as a former small-town mayor with zero Washington experience. But that view of her totally misses the cultural resonance she carries to crucial Republican power centers and could not be more at odds with the jubilation felt among true believers that one of their own is on the ticket.

Palin, say conservative activists, has instantly changed how they feel about McCain’s campaign and spurred them to go to work for the Republican ticket.

First, though, they’re expressing their newfound fondness for McCain with their checkbooks. Since tapping Palin, the campaign has raised nearly $7 million online, according to McCain aides.

Most importantly for McCain, the two constituencies who are most energized by Palin just happen to be the twin grassroots pillars of the GOP: anti-abortion activists and pro-Second Amendment enthusiasts and sportsmen. Without these two camps making phone calls, stuffing envelopes and knocking on doors, Republican presidential candidates would severely lack for volunteers. They are critical to the health of the conservative coalition that has dominated Republican politics for a generation.

Republicans say the primary source for the passion can be found in Palin’s example and authenticity.

Not only is the 44-year-old governor opposed to abortion rights — but she carried and gave birth to a child with Down syndrome earlier this year, a profound and powerful motivating force to both opponents of abortion rights and the parents and relatives of special needs children.

And not only is she a supporter of the right to bear arms — but she’s a lifetime member of the NRA and an avid hunter and fisherman whose gubernatorial office couch is adorned with a massive grizzly bear pelt.

“She’s lived it!” exulted Yoest. “It’s so satisfying as a conservative woman. When she walked out on that stage there was just this moment. It was really emotional for a lot of us.”

After hearing the news, Yoest, who was in St. Paul preparing for the convention, said she and other Republican women here “were grabbing each other and jumping up and down.”

Steve Duprey, a former New Hampshire GOP chairman and top McCain backer who hails from the moderate wing of the party, was also in the Twin Cities when the news broke.

“I was in the Rules Committee with about 150 people in the room. They had TVs set up and we took a break to watch the announcement. For a second after she came out, it was silent. Then there was a gasp and everybody stood up and started cheering and clapping. We stayed standing the whole speech.”

After Palin finished, he said, the emotion set in.

“There were 10 or 12 women, party stalwarts, in tears, using napkins and handkerchiefs.”

Part of the reason for the joy is what President Bush once called, in another context, “the soft bigotry of low expectations.” Social conservatives just didn’t expect one of their own to be tapped and were actually bracing themselves for the selection of a supporter of abortion rights.

“There is an electricity going through the social conservative crowd right now; it’s unbelievable,” said James Muffett, head of Michigan’s Citizens for Traditional Values, who had met with McCain in the weeks leading up to his selection of a running mate. “Especially given all the set-ups and head fakes — it’s amazing. A lot of people were sure he was going to show his more moderate colors.”

Muffett said the effect on his conservative comrades in arms has been immediate and visceral.

“My wife and I watched an MSNBC special on her last night,” he said. “My wife knew nothing about this woman. But she was in tears listening to her articulate the views she had.”

Since the pick, Muffett said, he’s gotten “dozens of e-mails and the phones have been ringing off the hook” from other social conservatives who had assumed McCain would spurn them.

“They were taunting me, saying ‘McCain’s going to disappoint you,’” he said of the sentiment before the pick.

Since?

“’Boy, what kind of prayers have you been saying for McCain?’” he said with a chuckle about the question asked on one phone call. “He went and chose a Pentecostal for his running mate!”

The adoration goes beyond Christian conservatives.

Sportsmen are also overjoyed at the addition of one of their own, and can’t get enough of video and pictures showing Palin firing a weapon.

“She's one of us,” wrote Michael Bane, a prominent Colorado-based gun enthusiast who has a show on the Outdoor Channel, on his blog. “FINALLY, we can get 100 percent behind the Republican ticket ... change we can believe in!”

“You know I've had my problems with McCain, but he has reached out a hand to us both at the NRA Annual Meeting [earlier this year] and with the amazing selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate,” Bane added.

And then there is the contrast: “While [Barack Obama] wants to ban AR-15s, Palin shoots AR-15s, and apparently pretty well.”

“Every shooter, every hunter, every gun owner, every competitor needs to understand that it is time to, in the words of Bruce Willis, ‘cowboy the 'f...' up.’ ”

Chris Cox, the top political aide at the NRA, suggested that his job just got a whole lot easier, not just with a pro-gun Republican vice presidential nominee but a Democratic number two — Delaware Sen. Joe Biden — who is anathema to the Second Amendment community

“We’ll be able to have some fun contrasting not just McCain and Obama, but Biden and Palin,” said Cox, whose organization is giving "I'm a Bitter Gun Owner and I Vote!" signs and T-shirts to its members. “She’s great on our issues and [Biden’s] been terrible for 35 years.”

Her image as a pistol-packin’ mama could prove especially key in the hunter-filled Rust Belt, said Paul Erhardt, a longtime political strategist who specializes on gun issues.

“Palin could play strong in the sporting states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, depending on how they use her,” he said. “Most pundits will underestimate her appeal in these key areas because they don't know her and they are unfamiliar with the sporting scene. But among sportsmen, authenticity counts and Palin's got that and then some.”

Palin also reassures those concerned about McCain's judgment on judges. Said Gary Marx, head of the Judicial Confirmation Network and a former Mitt Romney aide: "I can tell you that this pick tells millions in the base of the party that they can trust McCain. More specifically that they can trust him with Supreme Court picks and other key appoitments"

The sense of rejuvenation is not just limited to party activists, though. Conservative elites, among the most disdainful of McCain, are also coming around.

James Dobson, long a McCain skeptic, said after the announcement Friday that he’d support Palin.

And he’s not alone.

“I’ve talked to two prominent social conservative leaders in the past 24 hours who told me they had previously not planned to attend the convention, but were now coming to Minneapolis after the Palin pick,” wrote Ralph Reed, a Christian conservative leader who has tangled with McCain, in an e-mail. “One scrambled to find a hotel room and is coming tomorrow; the other rearranged his schedule and is flying in Wednesday. I got a call this afternoon from an evangelical business leader who told me he was contacting the McCain campaign and offering to host a fundraiser with his friends for McCain (sans the candidate) before the Thursday deadline [when McCain shifts to the public financing system]. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a veep pick energize the grass roots like this.”

Rush Limbaugh, who exulted on the air this week, summed up the response he’s gotten from his loyal listeners: “Home f***ing run.”

“Palin=Guns, Babies, Jesus,” he wrote in an e-mail. “Contrast that to Obama's bitter clingers. Obama just lost blue-collar, white Democratic voters in Pennsylvania and other states.”

And, he said, the line that the pick was aimed at picking off Democratic women who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn’t get it right.

“[The] choice is to shore up the conservative, pro-drilling base,” he said. “This is an aggressive, on-offense pick, not a defensive pick.”

The pick caps off what has been a turbulent few weeks for conservative Republicans.

Muffett, who was talking on his cell phone from a church outing at Ohio’s Cedar Point amusement park, likened McCain’s campaign to the world-record 17 roller coasters that dot the park on the banks of Lake Erie.

“Oh my gosh, holy moly,” he said. “He floated the pro-abortion running mate, then there was his performance at the Saddleback debate, and then you had the Lieberman headfake and now this.”

“Up and down, up and down.”

For now, though, at least as it relates to the long-mistrustful conservatives he’ll need energized to win, McCain is sky-high.

“Now that he has so thoroughly exceeded their expectations for his candidacy (first with his stellar performance at the Saddleback Showdown, now with his selection of his running mate), social conservatives are finally putting on their cleats and getting on to the field,” wrote Reed. “It’s really quite remarkable, and something that no one would have guessed would happen even three months ago.”

Veilan · Post by **Veilan** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:14 pm

ZOMG CONSPIRACY!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:38 am

AP- Washington, August 31st, 2008 wrote: The body of deceased John McCain stands erect and leans against a wall by his coffin during his own wake in one of his many homes Sunday, Aug. 31, 2008. McCain, 72, was found dead Friday August 29, 2008 underneath a bridge in the capital after hearing that a hurricane was going to blow into Louisiana at the start of the Republican National Convention. His last wish was to be standing at his own wake, and he was embalmed for the occasion.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:04 am

Veilan wrote:ZOMG CONSPIRACY!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

You mean to say a politician is a liar?

Man, who didn't see that coming

Edit: As an aside, i still astounds me just how excited so many americans get about their politics.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:22 am

Lusipher wrote:What I dont like about my party is the way it does favor the rich.

Strangely few lower income Republicans seem to care. They all figure their ship will come in some day and then they too will not be taxed.

Killthorne · Post by **Killthorne** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:15 am

The sad thing I get from Dan and his " it's just war, it's what happens, yeah, it's sad.." is that he really, truly doesn't realize that one day, war might just up and be on his front door step, because he chooses to believe that everyone in this country should be under a christian state of union. That's just not gonna happen.

Now, I'm christian, but I certainly don't believe everyone has to be or has to be under a christian controlled environment. It's their choice ( according to the ol' Bible, God gave us free will to decide). Not a forced implementation of my belief which is as abstract as the next guy who believes in the same faith.

I've seen more christians have equal to, or greater lack of morals than what Dan's biased against. And according to our religion Dan, no sin is greater than the other, we're ALL sinners, and "judge, and be judged." It's up to God to decide, eh? All I see from most hard core so-called christians nowadays is a massive control freakism. If something is not safe and secure for everyone, then we MAKE it safe and secure and fluffy... which is about as idealistic as some hippie smoking pot and saying " Make Love, Not War".. just as extreme, and just as ridiculously dangerous.

That's all I've gotta say... oh, wait, no... if you really don't want taxes, vote for Ron Paul.

~Killthorne~

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:44 am

Yay for free will.

"OK - you have a choice. You either do as I say, and get a fantastic reward, or you don't, and I send you to get tortured for all eternity. But it's your totally free choice. Don't let me influence you in any way, OK?"

sgould72 · Post by **sgould72** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:50 am

Sooo...you admit that your party works against your interests in ways that actually have some bearing on your day to day life (finances, health care, education), yet vote for them based on their opposition to things that do not affect you in the slightest (gays). Makes sense to me. Ain't willful stupidity grand?

Dorn · Post by **Dorn** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:21 am

She is Pro Life.
She is a Pro Gun

Makes me think 'wonderful, another right wing religious nut that everyone outside the USA laughs at but is terrified fo being close to the red button.' I WISH epople would get over the church and bible. It was written for uneducated masses as a guide book and we're past it now. The concept (ie christianity) is good, the implementation is bad (ie the church and backwards/antiquated church policies).

As for pro-gun. Gee. That's a good policy.....no really.

I really don't like seeing such regressive stances in eladers of the second most powerful nation in the world behind China.

She is a wife, mother, and worked her way up to the position of Governor of her state of Alaska.
She is blue colar.

Makes me think she'd be a good worker. But also that she'd do anything to keep petrol costs down instead of looking into innovation and causing a litte bit of hurt to mainstream america to drive change to a more sustinabale way of living (something our politicions are equally crap at)

fluffmonster · Post by **fluffmonster** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:21 am

Dorn · Post by **Dorn** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:28 am

By the way.

I THINK here in Oz we're moving towards civil somethings which mean in everything but name gay people can get hitched.

Same rights in terms of EVERYTHING as married couples except the word marrige.

Is that something that the right wingers would support?

Or is it not just marrige they don't like, but want to class homsexual people as second class citizens like black people were treated a few years back (until they relised they weren't second class citizens) or women a few years before that (before they relaised they weren't second class citiens).