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opt to not have a Password, and keep new PCs from accessing the whole server, thus creating a mini-OAS on the Live Serve I have built, it would also allow me to approve any new PC creations.
But I would have to be able to give the haks to non-members...
OAS on a Live Server.
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OAS on a Live Server.
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I would think not. Its not up to you to add folks into ALFA. Its up to the OAS DM team or the App reviewers. Its why we have the two OAS severs in the first place. I get the gist of having new players go from an OAS type section straight into a Live server with the same PC, but that would make the OAS servers/program worthless.If I build a server, can I...
opt to not have a Password, and keep new PCs from accessing the whole server, thus creating a mini-OAS on the Live Serve I have built, it would also allow me to approve any new PC creations.
But I would have to be able to give the haks to non-members...
I think the way things are done right now is perfectly fine. The only concern I truly have with our OAS system is the fact the OAS1 isnt being used except on appointment only and in all honesty a lot of folks feel the OAS1 could be done away with. Make OAS1 applicants do the written application only. Its not a matter of playing favorites in regards to platforms its basically in regards to numbers coming through.
The ability to come into ALFA with the same PC you made on an OAS is very appealing and I wish there was a way we could make it happen by a portal from the OAS to a Live server, but as of yet portalling is a issue being worked out and thats not taking into account the variables of going from a non vaulted server to a Live vaulted server. Unless Im mistaken about something there.
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Okay, sorry I didn't mean to imply that I or my DM team would be able to approve "applicants"
We would be able to approve members character concepts before they were released to the live world.
I would like it to be a locked area for applicants, but accessable by members so they can choose to enter the "psuedo" OAS.
I honestly didn't think about the transfering of OAS PCs to live, but I guess that could be a "perk"
We would be able to approve members character concepts before they were released to the live world.
I would like it to be a locked area for applicants, but accessable by members so they can choose to enter the "psuedo" OAS.
I honestly didn't think about the transfering of OAS PCs to live, but I guess that could be a "perk"
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I am looking for it to be a "combined" OAS and Live server. Serves both functions. They would still need a password to access any other server but they would have the haks.
Just thinking of a way to combine resources as well as have an OAS that the regular members would have access to, and would likely have more DM coverage.
Maybe even make it a Non-PVP area...but that would take a lot more "consideration"
It would affect regular members if they created their character on the server as they wouldn't be able to leave the OAS starting section until a DM approved them.
Just thinking of a way to combine resources as well as have an OAS that the regular members would have access to, and would likely have more DM coverage.
Maybe even make it a Non-PVP area...but that would take a lot more "consideration"
It would affect regular members if they created their character on the server as they wouldn't be able to leave the OAS starting section until a DM approved them.
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This would slow the process of playing in the live world for regular members, but provided their is enough DM coverage (I also plan on making my server approved for any ADM in ALFA) it shouldn't be a huge delay...
This style of waiting for character approval from any ALFA DM (provided they are already an accepted member applicants would still need approval from the App folks) would also help reduce ...
looting your own corpse
rabbit running (exploring areas with a fodder character)
Twinked stats
ect... it would give the DM crew a chance to look over PCs before they actually enter the world.
This style of waiting for character approval from any ALFA DM (provided they are already an accepted member applicants would still need approval from the App folks) would also help reduce ...
looting your own corpse
rabbit running (exploring areas with a fodder character)
Twinked stats
ect... it would give the DM crew a chance to look over PCs before they actually enter the world.
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It seems to me that this would just confuse the crap out of potential applicants even more.
The only reasons I can see you doing this is because you want to play with/DM non-alfans (on a server with alfa haks) and/or "approve" already approved alfans character concepts to play on "your" server.
If you want to play with your non-alfa mates on a server you've built, why not just build one without haks, host it and invite them instead of making it a psuedo part of alfa (whatever that means). If you want to use the content in alfa's haks to build something for non-alfans, just download all the content thats in them off the vault and incorporate it into your own hak.
On the "approving character concepts" side, once you've already been through the application process it doesnt seem fair to then have to go through another application process.
Interesting idea but in applying the KISS principle, I think it requires a little more development.
The only reasons I can see you doing this is because you want to play with/DM non-alfans (on a server with alfa haks) and/or "approve" already approved alfans character concepts to play on "your" server.
If you want to play with your non-alfa mates on a server you've built, why not just build one without haks, host it and invite them instead of making it a psuedo part of alfa (whatever that means). If you want to use the content in alfa's haks to build something for non-alfans, just download all the content thats in them off the vault and incorporate it into your own hak.
On the "approving character concepts" side, once you've already been through the application process it doesnt seem fair to then have to go through another application process.
Interesting idea but in applying the KISS principle, I think it requires a little more development.
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[22:52] <Veilan> obviously something sinister must be afoot if a DM does not have his social security number in his avatar name!
[22:52] <Veilan> obviously something sinister must be afoot if a DM does not have his social security number in his avatar name!
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Thangorn, sorry your speculation of me having a place to play with my non-alfa friends isn't accurate. I am really not sure where that even came from, all of my friends that I would play/dm with on ALFA were accepted years ago.
I am looking at experimenting with an addition to our current method.
Years ago there was no OAS at all... now there is.
Things change, ALFA evolves.
I am okay with being told an idea doesn't work, but I don't think it hurts anything to "debate" it and talk about the options, who knows some good could come of it.
Points and counter points.
Q: If you don't require a password and the haks are available how is it an ALFA server?
A: Having a DM approval process to get past the OAS area provides more security than password and haks do, anyone can tell someone the password and get them the haks.
Q: If a member has been approved it is unfair to make them go through another "application" process.
A: There is no "second application" process. All member characters are subject to DM scrutiny, the only thing this does is stops a "twink" build or other such problem PC, "Waelen Onya" for example from entering the game world and causing a distruption to immersion.
Q: The answer will be "no" again because it was in the past.
A: I disagree, things change, and this proposal is different, I had proposed to change the entry process across the board having a mini OAS on every server. A good point about the purpose of the OAS being hakless made me re-think it. Plus I didn't get alot of constructive feed back, I got a bunch of "NO's"...
How long does it take for a DM to look over a PC at level 1 and tell them, "yes, your good to go, here take this visa."?
It would only be on one server so members that don't want to wait for a DM to approve them can always start their PC on another server.
I still think having a regular OAS is important, its main benefit is that it does not require any haks, a lot of players won't download a bunch of haks for a PW they may not like. For those that do like the OAS this gives them a secondary place to play while they are going through the application process, and they can get started getting the haks.
Its optional, not required. It will have to go to Admin for approval and this proposal is a LONG way off, so the more feedback I get the better.
The previous posts all had good points, I hope I was able to clarify the proposal.
I am looking at experimenting with an addition to our current method.
Years ago there was no OAS at all... now there is.
Things change, ALFA evolves.
I am okay with being told an idea doesn't work, but I don't think it hurts anything to "debate" it and talk about the options, who knows some good could come of it.
Points and counter points.
Q: If you don't require a password and the haks are available how is it an ALFA server?
A: Having a DM approval process to get past the OAS area provides more security than password and haks do, anyone can tell someone the password and get them the haks.
Q: If a member has been approved it is unfair to make them go through another "application" process.
A: There is no "second application" process. All member characters are subject to DM scrutiny, the only thing this does is stops a "twink" build or other such problem PC, "Waelen Onya" for example from entering the game world and causing a distruption to immersion.
Q: The answer will be "no" again because it was in the past.
A: I disagree, things change, and this proposal is different, I had proposed to change the entry process across the board having a mini OAS on every server. A good point about the purpose of the OAS being hakless made me re-think it. Plus I didn't get alot of constructive feed back, I got a bunch of "NO's"...
How long does it take for a DM to look over a PC at level 1 and tell them, "yes, your good to go, here take this visa."?
It would only be on one server so members that don't want to wait for a DM to approve them can always start their PC on another server.
I still think having a regular OAS is important, its main benefit is that it does not require any haks, a lot of players won't download a bunch of haks for a PW they may not like. For those that do like the OAS this gives them a secondary place to play while they are going through the application process, and they can get started getting the haks.
Its optional, not required. It will have to go to Admin for approval and this proposal is a LONG way off, so the more feedback I get the better.
The previous posts all had good points, I hope I was able to clarify the proposal.
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Are people not allowed to play on the OAS after being approved or something?Nalo Jade wrote:I still think having a regular OAS is important, its main benefit is that it does not require any haks, a lot of players won't download a bunch of haks for a PW they may not like. For those that do like the OAS this gives them a secondary place to play while they are going through the application process, and they can get started getting the haks.
Why do you think this a good idea? Do you just want a OAS+haks?
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In theory the current OAS2 belongs to the Western Heartlands region. So what we have now could become the mini-OAS2 on the Western Heartlands server when it goes up. It would be feasonable to do this I think - but would it be worth the hassle?
The OAS2 requires a small hakpak to enable the DMFI and HUD improvements. This is the main issue I think - how soon can we get an applicant to play? Not from an admissons point-of-view, but in terms of PR. The downloads are pretty huge.
Restricting an applicant to an area on the server will futhermore complicate RP and plots. Server DM's and roleplayers will be active in the mini-OAS2 but any applicants who become involved won't be able to go elsewhere. This would complicate things.
Lastly - I understand the concept of OAS was created so that there was one single focus for admissions. One place, one team, and as honest and fair a judgement as is possible. Spreading the OAS out into a number of mini-OAS would break down this focus and create oppertunity for double standards to take root.
If this were a single-server world, it would be a good idea. But since we're inter-server, in a way we already have what you propose by putting the OAS on it's own servers.
The OAS2 requires a small hakpak to enable the DMFI and HUD improvements. This is the main issue I think - how soon can we get an applicant to play? Not from an admissons point-of-view, but in terms of PR. The downloads are pretty huge.
Restricting an applicant to an area on the server will futhermore complicate RP and plots. Server DM's and roleplayers will be active in the mini-OAS2 but any applicants who become involved won't be able to go elsewhere. This would complicate things.
Lastly - I understand the concept of OAS was created so that there was one single focus for admissions. One place, one team, and as honest and fair a judgement as is possible. Spreading the OAS out into a number of mini-OAS would break down this focus and create oppertunity for double standards to take root.
If this were a single-server world, it would be a good idea. But since we're inter-server, in a way we already have what you propose by putting the OAS on it's own servers.
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Members are welcome to play on the OAS, if they also help out with reviewing. You're of course free to use the oppertunity to test out a new character and have a bit of fun. Of course you'll be included in the action, to the purpose of creating a 'normal' situation for the applicant to roleplay in. But you're not supposed to take away the spotlight from applicants. It's not a campaign server.Are people not allowed to play on the OAS after being approved or something?
If you wish to play on the OAS2 without anyone around, by all means go for it. Perhaps someone will see you on and decide to give it a try. There's no DM team to look after you personally when no applicants are on, though.
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I think its a good idea, because...
Live servers have ...
More active veteran players
More active DMs
This would create an additional environment for applicants that are willing to download the haks to see more of ALFA. If an applicant logs into the OAS and doesn't have a lot of interaction they also have the option to download the haks and log into a live server, where all the DMs of ALFA are allowed to DM (except player/DMs who play on the server of course), including the applications team, and where they can interact with veteran players if they wish...
When I finish the server (which hasn't even started yet) I will approve any DM that has completed their PADM-ship with any other server, another HDM's approval is good enough for me.
The server will be specifically built to be DM friendly, to minimize the "stepping" on toes and such.
I am also considering asking to allow the applicants to keep their PC and transfer to Live "if accepted by the apps team" with their OAS character. This was not my idea, but I think it is a good one.
The benefits are mostly for applicants giving them more options, while still maintaining the integrity of the live server.
Live servers have ...
More active veteran players
More active DMs
This would create an additional environment for applicants that are willing to download the haks to see more of ALFA. If an applicant logs into the OAS and doesn't have a lot of interaction they also have the option to download the haks and log into a live server, where all the DMs of ALFA are allowed to DM (except player/DMs who play on the server of course), including the applications team, and where they can interact with veteran players if they wish...
When I finish the server (which hasn't even started yet) I will approve any DM that has completed their PADM-ship with any other server, another HDM's approval is good enough for me.
The server will be specifically built to be DM friendly, to minimize the "stepping" on toes and such.
I am also considering asking to allow the applicants to keep their PC and transfer to Live "if accepted by the apps team" with their OAS character. This was not my idea, but I think it is a good one.
The benefits are mostly for applicants giving them more options, while still maintaining the integrity of the live server.
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-(1) OAS NWN1 (no change)
-(1) NWN1 Live server with OAS no password, does need Haks
-NWN1 Live server PW protected
-NWN1 Live server PW protected
-NWN1 Live server PW protected
-(1) OAS NWN2 (no change)
-(1) NWN2 Live server with OAS no password, does need Haks
-NWN2 Live server PW protected
-NWN2 Live server PW protected
-NWN2 Live server PW protected
Not taking away OAS.
Not adding an OAS to every server.
Sorry I can even confuse myself sometimes, sorry for not being more understandable.
-(1) NWN1 Live server with OAS no password, does need Haks
-NWN1 Live server PW protected
-NWN1 Live server PW protected
-NWN1 Live server PW protected
-(1) OAS NWN2 (no change)
-(1) NWN2 Live server with OAS no password, does need Haks
-NWN2 Live server PW protected
-NWN2 Live server PW protected
-NWN2 Live server PW protected
Not taking away OAS.
Not adding an OAS to every server.
Sorry I can even confuse myself sometimes, sorry for not being more understandable.
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