Half of nation outraged by new Michael Moore film

[mxlm]

Fair point.

[Mulu]

Mulu dear. Nothing is gonna happen. Unless you can cause the quick slaughter of oh... 70% of the world's population in retards...

Maybe. Maybe we'll have to experience the full effects of global warming before we start trying to change it and repair the damage, at horrible economic cost and loss of life. But it's not the masses that are the problem, it's the handful of decisionmakers. The US had an amazing recycling program during WWII that practically everyone participated in. If the propaganda powers of the White House were used for good rather than evil, they could convince all those Fox News watchers to live green. All it would take is a few conservative leaders to become environmental leaders, *real* environmental leaders, and we could turn this country at least around. Many other nations would follow our example. After all, according to the bible God left us in charge of the planet, to shepard wisely.

That's still a hard sell though. Conservative leaders tend to be a bit blockheaded about this whole "sustainability" thing. They prefer exploiting. It's more profitable to them and their golf buddies in the short term.

[Veilan]

It is however the idiots you need to worry about and convince, smart people usually come to the proper conclusions on a scientific thing on their own... unless they have some vested interest, in which case no amount of "proper" graph would help either.

[Zakharra]

Maybe. Maybe we'll have to experience the full effects of global warming before we start trying to change it and repair the damage, at horrible economic cost and loss of life. But it's not the masses that are the problem, it's the handful of decisionmakers. The US had an amazing recycling program during WWII that practically everyone participated in. If the propaganda powers of the White House was used for good rather than evil, they could convince all those Fox News watchers to live green. All it would take is a few conservative leaders to become environmental leaders, *real* environmental leaders, and we could turn this country at least around. Many other nations would follow our example. After all, according to the bible God left us in charge of the planet, to shepard wisely.

That's still a hard sell though. Conservative leaders tend to be a bit blockheaded about this whole "sustainability" thing. They prefer exploiting. It's more profitable to them and their golf buddies in the short term.

Yeah, all of the recycled items where turned into war machines. So.. to recycle on a large scale, start a world war?

[Mulu]

Or prevent one. The next world war will likely be fought over dimishing resources.

[Zakharra]

Or over an ideology.

Who do I talk to to get the ADM title out from under my picture? I haven't been a ADM for over a year.

[Veilan]

Or over an ideology.

Who do I talk to to get the ADM title out from under my picture? I haven't been a ADM for over a year.

Whoops...

gonna post it in the title cleanup thread.

[NickD]

Who do I talk to to get the ADM title out from under my picture? I haven't been a ADM for over a year.

Whoops...

gonna post it in the title cleanup thread.

How do I get my title changed to Sexy Beast?

[Grand Fromage]

Or prevent one. The next world war will likely be fought over dimishing resources.

War. War never changes. The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower. But war never changes.

In the 21st century, war was till waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: petroleum and uranium. For these resources China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.

In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to survive...

[Nyarlathotep]

Don't worry...there is a plan

Addressing Climate Crisis, Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner

WASHINGTON, DC—In a nationally televised address reminiscent of President Kennedy's historic 1961 speech pledging to put a man on the moon, President Bush responded to the global warming crisis Monday by calling for the construction of a giant national air conditioner by the year 2015.

"Climate change is real and it demands a real solution," Bush said. "Therefore, I am committed to dedicating all of the technology, all of the brainpower, and all of the resources we need in order to keep America cool and comfortable well into the 21st century."

The National Air Conditioner Initiative is expected to be the largest public works project in the nation's history. Because technology capable of creating an air conditioner that can fulfill the cooling needs of a continental land mass does not presently exist, the president estimated that research and development alone will require at least $100 trillion in both federal and private sector funds.

"The challenge of building an air conditioner for all Americans will be the greatest we have ever faced," Bush said. "But we must face it. We must act now to ensure that our children and our children's children can live in a world where they don't get sweaty and have to change their shirts all the time."


'We have a responsibility to future generations.'


While Bush's speech left many questions unanswered, such as whether the one-touch cooling settings would be under federal or state jurisdiction, reaction from congressional Democrats and Republicans has been largely favorable.

"I applaud the administration for finally taking this issue seriously," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. "Such a giant apparatus means that Americans from all walks of life, not just the wealthy and privileged, will be able to get relief from the rise in the Earth's surface temperature. And it will create a great many jobs. Just removing and rinsing out the huge filter will require tens of thousands of seasonal laborers."

Petrochemical industry leaders voiced early support of the plan, which would stimulate additional exploration and production of oil and gas to satisfy the machine's staggering energy needs.

Some fiscal conservatives, however, decry the cost of the project and the gargantuan electric bills that would result, saying that a series of mile-high oscillating fans stationed in the Pacific Northwest and blowing in the direction of the jet stream would accomplish essentially the same thing and save billions. Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan expressed his concern that illegal aliens would benefit unfairly from the air conditioner, since many of them work outside, and questioned President Bush's ability to "seal the nation's borders in order to keep the cool air in."

Environmental groups like the Sierra Club have taken a tough stance on the president's plan, demanding it contain legally binding language that ensures the air conditioner will be switched to a special energy-conserving "sleep" setting when the country cools off at night. The White House has shown interest in an "economy mode" option that could be used in the event of a budgetary crisis, but it is still unknown whether such a massive unit would qualify for an Energy Star certification, let alone accommodate built-in money-saving features.

The strongest opposition to the plan has come from Canada. Because the proposed National Air Conditioner would cover 90 percent of the state of North Dakota and face south, the U.S.'s northern neighbor would be directly in the path of superheated air expelled from the machine's back vents. Though Prime Minister Stephen Harper said this would create drought conditions and devastate their farmlands, most believe Canada lacks the clout to halt Bush's air-conditioning agenda.

American air conditioner manufacturers, with whom President Bush reportedly consulted extensively prior to announcing the initiative, will soon be awarded tens of trillions of dollars to design and build the components necessary for the giant unit. Industry leader Lennox is expected to receive at least $30 trillion, including a massive installation fee, while the Carrier Corporation, Trane, and Amana are all jockeying for the next largest contracts.

"Global warming threatens us all, whether we're mowing our lawns, rafting down a river in a national park, or driving to the end of the driveway to get our mail," Bush said. "The task that lies ahead is undeniably hard. But if we do not succeed, we will be profoundly inconvenienced. And I promise you: America will not let that happen."

Speaking at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser Monday night, Al Gore said that now that Bush has taken up the cause of global warming, the former vice president and environmental activist will redirect his energies toward developing a personal spacecraft capable of transporting a family of four to a distant planet.

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[Lusipher]

Moore went apeshit on CNN recently and promised to be the networks worst nightmare

Read this:

"Sicko" filmmaker Michael Moore called a truce Monday in his weeklong fight with CNN that flared when the network accused him of fudging facts in his popular documentary about the health-care system.

Moore had promised the network over the weekend that "I'm about to become your worst nightmare," leading CNN to post on its Web site a remarkably lengthy response to his accusations.

He noted in an interview Monday that CNN had admitted to two mistakes in reporting on "Sicko" and that he's willing to move on.

"I trust the intelligence of the American people," Moore told The Associated Press. "I don't think there's a whole lot more to do with this other than I and others are going to be a lot more skeptical with what I see on CNN."

CNN, in its statement, noted that it has given Moore multiple opportunities to discuss his concerns about the report on the air.

"It's ironic that someone who has made a career out of holding powerful interests accountable is so sensitive to having his own work held up to the light by impartial journalists, as we did in our examination of `Sicko,'" CNN said.

Shortly before Moore appeared for an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer last week, the network ran a report by Dr. Sanjay Gupta that had done some fact-checking on Moore's movie. Gupta's report made Moore furious, leading to a contentious segment with Blitzer and a debate with Gupta on "Larry King Live" later in the week.

Gupta addressed several statistics in "Sicko" before concluding: "No matter how much Moore fudged the facts -- and he did fudge some facts -- there is one thing everyone can agree on: the (health care) system here should be far better."

In Gupta's report, CNN had said that Moore had reported that Cuba spends $25 per person for health care. In fact, the movie estimates Cuba's spending at $251 per person. CNN blamed a transcription error for its mistake and apologized for it on and off the air.

The network accuses Moore of "cherry-picking" numbers from different academic studies to make his arguments stronger. CNN said it believes in essentially comparing apples with apples. Moore said he tried to use the most recent data available.

Moore was also angry that Gupta interviewed Paul Keckley, who works for the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, as a critic of "Sicko." Moore said Deloitte's chairman is Tommy Thompson, President Bush's former health and human services secretary, and that Keckley had made political contributions to Republican candidates and organizations.

The second mistake came not in Gupta's original report -- where Keckley was correctly identified as representing Deloitte -- but in an on-air debate where Gupta claimed Keckley was working for Vanderbilt University.

"His only affiliation is with Vanderbilt University," Gupta said. "We checked it, Michael. We checked his conflict of interest. We do ask those questions."

While CNN noted Moore was correct in pointing out Keckley had left Vanderbilt last year, it said Keckley's comments were factual and descriptive. Deloitte says it does not have a political agenda.

In other instances, CNN said Moore appeared to be creating a fight where none really existed. The network said it was comfortable letting viewers judge for themselves.

Moore said he believed it was important for him to let people know his side. "In the report they say that I fudged the facts," he said, "and they didn't find a single fact that I fudged."

Guys a nutcase even though I agree our healthcare system needs to be overhauled big time.

[Cassiel]

So let's get this straight - CNN's criticism amounted to finding someone to claim Moore fudged some facts without even saying which facts those were, and interviewing someone from a political body.

Moore pointed out that body had received money from the republicans responsible for the healthcare system, and that they made a glaring error in the way they reported one of the numbers from the film.

Whatever. Moore was right to say he trusted the intelligence of the American people, but you can't catch everyone, right?

The film's great, by the way, and he's barely in it, which is nice. It's not even that politically oriented - just outlines the situation very well. And the Cuba scenes are by turns hilarious and deeply affecting.

[Rotku]

Heh, looking at the article, I find myself thinking that the CNN seems more of a "nutcase" than Moore in that situation.

[Jeppan]

Just saw the movie (I know a century after everyone else) and it was very interesting. I strongly recommend it.

*hides for reviving an old thread*

[Zakharra]

Just saw the movie (I know a century after everyone else) and it was very interesting. I strongly recommend it.

*hides for reviving an old thread*

I have yet to see it. So you aren't the only one late.