4th Edition?

fluffmonster · Post by **fluffmonster** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:36 pm

If you're on about means to play DnD digitally, then you are right there is gonig to be a substitution effect, but that's not what its all about. We are not just playing DnD, we are playing a video game. That DnD insider stuff is literally a digitized table-top experience. We play in a fully-articulated, immersive digital world. That difference cuts down on the substitutability.

Aelred · Post by **Aelred** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:08 pm

Check out this one - Is that Hialmar narrating?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbqMoEwDqc

Hialmar · Post by **Hialmar** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:35 pm

Hehe that's about it yes.

Vendrin · Post by **Vendrin** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:04 pm

As they'll probably preview it at dragoncon, I'll let you know if I can get a look at it while I'm there.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:23 pm

Hmm... looks like they're going to get rid of LA, and make different feats available to different races instead as a way of making races more relevant throughout the PC's life... And they're going to stay with the class system. Personally, I liked my idea of HPs and skill points being based on race (or, rather, size) as a way of making races significantly different.

Different weapons having different effects than damage and critical damage is pretty interesting though.

Post by **paazin** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:13 pm

I wonder if they're going to reduce the d20 to a d10, too

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:07 pm

NickD wrote:Hmm... looks like they're going to get rid of LA, and make different feats available to different races instead as a way of making races more relevant throughout the PC's life...

It would make our lives so much easier if we could do that...

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:42 pm

Mulu wrote:It is going to be fun reading all the Third editioners talk trash about Fourth edition. Makes me want to look up the old threads on the Bioware Boards where I trashed Third edition in favor of AD&D. Ah, memories.

Heh, found it.

me five years ago wrote:Now, I heard that the retards who bought the rights were involved in Magic the Gathering, and that the 3rd Edition rules were written by someone who hated AD&D and basically wanted to make "Diablo 2 the role-playing game." That's pretty sad if it's true.

Hahnsoo and I went on to game quite a bit after that. He finally convinced me of the utility of easy multiclassing. "Don't think of classes as professions, think of them as skill sets."

Oh, and here's another one!

Man, I am such a geek.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:42 pm

So you've always been judgemental and condescending then, huh?

Someone with in excess of a decade's experience in 2e hopefully has developed beyond powergaming. But new gamers don't have that background.

And a noob too! I've been powergaming since basic D&D! It's not the rules, it's the people you play with.

Inwintersshadow · Post by **Inwintersshadow** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:08 am

Yeh, I heard about this on the DnD podcast - 35 minute commercial is what it was.

Personally, I'm not bothering to get 4th edition. Every reworking WOTC does seems to be an overpriced, overcomplicated, hackneyed rewrite of the old AD&D bluebook anyways.

The only place I play DnD any more is on NWN1. Hopefully you guys don't decide to go to 4th edition!

But what will be will be I'm sure... *shrugs and sighs shaking his head*

IWS

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:11 am

I'm sure there are way too many ways in which it's just not possible to go to 4th edition with NWN2. It'll probably be 4e in NWN3, though.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:05 pm

NickD wrote: And a noob too! I've been powergaming since basic D&D! It's not the rules, it's the people you play with.

You didn't keep reading...

me five years ago wrote:So to the extent that the game is really up to the individuals who play it (and not just the DM, that's only one person's imagination; much better to draw on the whole group) then so long as people have an opportunity to role-play and be imaginative than the game will be worth playing. That said, a game system that encourages adolescent style playing by allowing stupid race/class combinations with rapid leveling, high power curves and heroic feats, rather than taking a slower, low power approach within the context of a well defined game universe, will ultimately cause those players to lose interest in the long run, and does not add significantly to the role-playing experience. How long can a 40th level half-orc barbarian with a whirlwind attack entertain you?

See, the issue being debated was the emphasis of the rules. The 3e PHB actually has a chapter on how to powergame. That's very different from the older books. The very last post in the second thread says it all, and I didn't even write it.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing the 3rd v 4th edition rules debate in a year.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:10 pm

NickD wrote:It'll probably be 4e in NWN3, though.

I personally think we were lucky to get NWN2 with a toolset and DM Client, as messed up as it is. The economics don't seem to support toolsets and DM Clients, given the work required, especially DM clients. Remember, we had to *beg* for a DM Client in NWN2. They had shelved it during development. If there is an NWN3, I doubt very much that it will have what we need. It just doesn't generate a big enough return.

Mizbiz · Post by **Mizbiz** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:18 pm

At the time they were making NWN2, wanted people to pay for DDO, so why on earth would they support a DM client and easier to use toolset? Most of the things folks did with NWN1 they saw no return on.

Grand Fromage · Post by **Grand Fromage** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:51 pm

Mulu wrote:Remember, we had to *beg* for a DM Client in NWN2. They had shelved it during development.

This isn't true. It was always in the plan, just delayed. The 3000+ bugs we found in beta were more pressing than getting the DM client done.