Thank you once again for proving my point. Here you are, showing me a *huge* difference between a Christian and a non-Christian, namely willful ignorance of evolution, and science as a whole.Killthorne wrote:2. I believe in certain forms of evolution: Adaptability. Micro-evolution. Stuff already in your genes that allows for those small forms of evolution to occur. I don't believe we came from sea sludge no. Sorry. Nor apes. I have my own theories on that. There's tons of scientists out there that have already disproven or debunked most of it already. Many of them lost their jobs because they weren't going along with the "program" of the scientific community. Sounds alot like your view on religion. Not one of us, or disproving our guesswork?? You're damned!
3. Science has it's problems, as religion does. Alot of guesswork, and alot of conclusions based on those guesses. There are many laws of science that hold true, and some, that are even stated as guesses that people stand by like white on rice. It's just as crazy if you ask me.
Here is the irony: We are having this conversation over the Internet, using a vast array of technology based on science, yet you are claiming science is just a lot of guesswork. Man, that must have been some guess that allowed this forum debate to happen. Satellites and cable modems and protocols and silicon chips, data buses, etc. all nothing more than a lucky guess.
Or maybe there really is something to this science stuff after all. Of course, you'll never know, because you don't want to learn. I would prefer our future generations to have a much better background in science than the current generations, through greater investment in public education. I think that would be a good thing. The Flat-Earth mentality doesn't contribute much to the world, beyond creating a pool of cheap, exploitable labor, which I also would like to end.
Christianity is a lot more than the bible. Faith-based abstinence programs advocate not using birth control, since using it will lead to sex, according to them. Of course, the reality is far different, but then again the reality of pretty much everything is far different than it's faith-based version.Killthorne wrote: 4. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that states you shouldn't use birth control.
You can ruin a child with too much discipline as easily as with too little. But there is a huge difference between discipline and physical punishment. I never hit my child, yet she is consistently the best behaved child in every environment we encounter. Not that I take full credit for that, her mother is wonderful, and also never hits her. Most of the Christians I've ever met believe in striking their children, and their children tend to be horribly behaved, which just encourages them to strike them more and teaches their children to solve problems through violence. Then they see their kids being violent and blame video games....Killthorne wrote:6. Spare the rod, spoil the child you mean? I think it was meant figuratively. Say no, apply some discipline. Look at all these kids today? I think they've been spared more than even a simple "no". I don't believe in child abuse, no, if that's what you're getting to.
Good. But many Christians do. I perceive they are a danger to humanity, just like terrorists, since I believe they will one day try to accomplish their prophecy. In the meantime, they certainly have no reason to protect the environment, or really help anything or anyone. And imagine the damage to a child's psyche being raised in that environment, being told everyone is going to die at any moment, and their unsaved friends will face demons and whatnot. It's amazing their kids can tie their own shoes.Killthorne wrote:People looking or waiting for rapture, are sad. That's not how I live my life, by doom and the second coming, praying I'll be saved.
There is no other kind of law. "God's law" was written by humans, after all. Ultimately the source of our perceptions of right and wrong come from evolution, specifically reciprocal altruism and it's need for objective fairness. Of course, we've added a lot to that starting point through our philosophies and cultures.Killthorne wrote:I just gotta know.. where are you getting that from? Where are your rights and wrongs coming from? Human made law?
That's because you've erected a ridiculous straw man. I don't see how advocating greater funding for a secular public education system = Nazi totalitarianism. In fact, the closest we have to that now in the US in Christian schooling. Jesus Camp anyone?Killthorne wrote:Personally, I don't think I could trust you at all with matters of the human race. Your system for "education" sounds more like enforced totalitarianism or fascism, or enforced eugenics of the Nth degree ( this one has spiritual genes, oh no, let's tone that down a bit) . " Do not believe this or you will be labeled insane and locked up!" Wow, you're fsckin' scary man. No really. Scary like a zealous right-wing, christian blowhard that wants to nuke everything in the name of god.
You know, a lot of Christians would consider you to not be one. I believe they call people like you Chinos, "Christian in name only." You're on their list of the damned too. And I suspect you didn't vote at all, given your apathy. Not that it's rare.Killthorne wrote: I just want to live my life peacefully, and just be nice with most people. I don't want all the Muslims dead... never voted for Bush... don't like mega-churches or much less church at all...
