"The Religion thread" Part II

Cassiel · Post by **Cassiel** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:32 pm

I don't want to be rude, but does anyone really give a shit any more?

Answer: yes. The people who squabble over whether Jesus' shoe size was 9 or 11 based on how you read the Hebrew, or whether he was killed by the Jews or the Romans are almost invariable intolerant, bigoted, ignorant douchebags (cf: Mel Gibson).

I should say at this point that I haven't yet read this thread. But I think it was the Praetorian, in the oracle, with the papyrus scroll of Ovid poetry.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:41 pm

Mulu wrote:Oh, and Killy, I have to assume that you have no children, because looking into my daughter's face gives me all the reasons I need to try to make this world a better place, despite her mortal nature.

Your daughter is an illusion put there by lord Xenu! Araghargharghargh!
Christians are not liek us liberal humanists, they look at their daughter's face as a potential food source! Barugahrughbargblabluuuu!
How is your brainless human ideology different then any other religion you cancerous bag of flesh? You humans are inferior to the power of Xenu! Her eventual demise may be violent and horrific beyond all imagination or quick and painless. She may slip silently into the night as an old woman or perish in a car accident. She could be devoured by sharks or destroyed accidentally by all the other flawed meatbags of this planet! Flawed meat bags with flawed human fiefdoms, countries, and governments, religions and ideological dichotomies just like yours, you rancid dump truck of spoiled vomit. It both saddens and amuses the great Xenu that your conflicting dichotomies seek their mutual extinction! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

Addendum; This thread is lame beyond all other lame threads.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:47 pm

Zakharra wrote:Which was when? There have been several arguement/discussion threads in the last few months.

The last one.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:50 pm

[b]Cassiel[/b] wrote:I don't want to be rude, but does anyone really give a sh*t any more?

Answer: yes. The people who squabble over whether Jesus' shoe size was 9 or 11 based on how you read the Hebrew, or whether he was killed by the Jews or the Romans are almost invariable intolerant, bigoted, ignorant douchebags (cf: Mel Gibson).

I should say at this point that I haven't yet read this thread. But I think it was the Praetorian, in the oracle, with the papyrus scroll of Ovid poetry.

Everything in bold is dumb.
Everything underlined is lulzworthy and worthy of an emmy.
LOLOL!!

Killthorne · Post by **Killthorne** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:25 pm

Here's something for ya' then:

If my christian faith advises to be good to my neighbors, to not lie, kill, cheat, steal, fornicate like a god damn whore... what the fsck is so wrong with that, and how is that any different than being non-religious and thinking the same things?

Hmm?

Nothing. That's right.

And as for children, I love and want kids someday, and DO think the people of this world should get their head out of their asses, but religion, heh, religion is only a small abstract part of it. Wake up. Stop generalizing and blaming religion for the ruin of the world. It's god damn greed and power mongering. That's what the problem is, not Jesus nor Buddha, nor any slightly rebellious, peaceful person who stood out to say " This is bullshit." and in the end was misintrepretted, and followed blindly. People are gonna make up their own damn minds, as they always have, since the beginning of time, and nothing is ever gonna change.

You want to control people and end religion? Might as well dust off them swastika flags, and start up some genocide. I am sure that'll happen again too, given how human nature to be repetitive, and a bunch of control freaks, still exists in our genes.

~Killthorne~

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:03 pm

Killthorne wrote:Here's something for ya' then:

If my christian faith advises to be good to my neighbors, to not lie, kill, cheat, steal, fornicate like a god damn whore... what the fsck is so wrong with that, and how is that any different than being non-religious and thinking the same things?

Hmm?

Nothing. That's right.

Actually, there is a lot of difference, because along with that message of ethics that few christians actually follow also comes the message to ban stem cell research, that evolution is a lie, that science isn't correct, that you shouldn't use birth control, that women should serve their husbands, that children should be beaten, that anyone who follows another faith or no faith is going to be damned for all eternity, that nonbelievers are infidels, and that this world should be destroyed so Jesus can come back.

Killthorne wrote:And as for children, I love and want kids someday, and DO think the people of this world should get their head out of their asses, but religion, heh, religion is only a small abstract part of it. Wake up. Stop generalizing and blaming religion for the ruin of the world. It's god damn greed and power mongering. That's what the problem is, not Jesus nor Buddha, nor any slightly rebellious, peaceful person who stood out to say " This is bullshit." and in the end was misintrepretted, and followed blindly. People are gonna make up their own damn minds, as they always have, since the beginning of time, and nothing is ever gonna change.

You want to control people and end religion? Might as well dust off them swastika flags, and start up some genocide. I am sure that'll happen again too, given how human nature to be repetitive, and a bunch of control freaks, still exists in our genes.

~Killthorne~

Oh, ending religion isn't about control. It's about enlightenment through education and policy reform. As stated in the prior thread, to end religion and irrational thought, as well as greed and powermongering, you have to make them obsolete by showing a better way to live through understanding and tolerance, and less glorification of material wealth. If you *like* human society in its present state, then I guess you have no reason to want to change it. Personally, I think we have a lot of progress to make, and part of that progress is necessarily the triumph of reason over superstition. Because without that particular win, a lot of other progress simply won't be possible.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:07 pm

I get you, Mulu. I really see where you are coming from. Irregardless of the fact that you see religion as insanity, you still wish to converse with them, likewise you wish to converse with terrorists. I have a friend in a special hospital who devours his own feces and paints smiley pictures on the padded walls of his cell (in feces). I think he would be most interested in hearing you "make squacking noises out of your face portal" His words, not mine. You'll have to approach him carefully as he has a tendency to draw tribal markings in feces all over your face but it's not his fault, they wont give him a pen for whatever reason. It's best to sooth him with heavy metal before you approach.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:19 pm

And yet they give him Internet access and let him make posts using the psuedonym Helios. Interesting. He must be in a very progressive facility.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:23 pm

Mulu wrote:Oh, ending religion isn't about control. It's about enlightenment through education and policy reform. As stated in the prior thread, to end religion and irrational thought, as well as greed and powermongering, you have to make them obsolete by showing a better way to live through understanding and tolerance, and less glorification of material wealth. If you *like* human society in its present state, then I guess you have no reason to want to change it. Personally, I think we have a lot of progress to make, and part of that progress is necessarily the triumph of reason over superstition. Because without that particular win, a lot of other progress simply won't be possible.

Enlightenment as in gas showers amiright? We must change peoples mind, not control what they think. If they don't think the way we think we'll just invent policies to reform them. We'll end religion and end irrational thought, because this rational thought is so much better. YOU ARE OBSOLETE MR. ROMNEY WORDSWORTH!!! OBSOLETE!!!!

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:38 pm

Mulu wrote:And yet they give him Internet access and let him make posts using the psuedonym Helios. Interesting. He must be in a very progressive facility.

I rate this comeback is F-. You need to be a better fundamental atheist and further prove how less mad as a hatter you are then other people. Soon enough, we'll be singing bye, bye, baby! You don't belong! We won't worry about you, while you're gone. I'll never know just what you mean to me. . . to mee!
Mmm ba ba da
Mmm ba ba ba da. . .

F- for me for quoting a crappy Ivy song.
Anyway, I hope your time here is limited so we can say goodbye to you just like that wonderful fellow White warlock. And while I love these frequent discussions on a gaming forum of how much of a big fantastic brain you have, I think you should go post somewhere else more appropriate like the United Atheist League, science take you!

Anyway, this is starting to bore me. - At least until the next mad-capped adventure post of Mulu the fundamentalist.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:58 pm

Helios wrote:I rate this comeback is F-.

You're just a sore loser.

Burt · Post by **Burt** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:49 pm

Helios wrote:I rate this comeback is F-.

He totally owned you there.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:51 pm

Mulu wrote:
Helios wrote:I rate this comeback is F-.
You're just a sore loser.

That's the spirit!

Killthorne · Post by **Killthorne** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:01 am

Actually, there is a lot of difference, because along with that message of ethics that few christians actually follow also comes the message to ban stem cell research, that evolution is a lie, that science isn't correct, that you shouldn't use birth control, that women should serve their husbands, that children should be beaten, that anyone who follows another faith or no faith is going to be damned for all eternity, that nonbelievers are infidels, and that this world should be destroyed so Jesus can come back.

1. I don't want to ban stem cell research. I know damn well tens of thousands of embryo's are already thrown away everyday.. so why not.

2. I believe in certain forms of evolution: Adaptability. Micro-evolution. Stuff already in your genes that allows for those small forms of evolution to occur. I don't believe we came from sea sludge no. Sorry. Nor apes. I have my own theories on that. There's tons of scientists out there that have already disproven or debunked most of it already. Many of them lost their jobs because they weren't going along with the "program" of the scientific community. Sounds alot like your view on religion. Not one of us, or disproving our guesswork?? You're damned!

3. Science has it's problems, as religion does. Alot of guesswork, and alot of conclusions based on those guesses. There are many laws of science that hold true, and some, that are even stated as guesses that people stand by like white on rice. It's just as crazy if you ask me.

4. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that states you shouldn't use birth control. If you're talking about catholicism, well I can't help you there, 'cause I ain't touching that one with a ten-foot pole. It does say in the Bible to be fruitful, but I don't see anything in here about using a condom or pills.

5. As for those laws ( with women) according to Leviticus, those were laws given to the Levi priests to show their profession. They don't really apply to Gentiles, which is what pretty much what christians are today. Back then, it was alot different for religious groups.

6. Spare the rod, spoil the child you mean? I think it was meant figuratively. Say no, apply some discipline. Look at all these kids today? I think they've been spared more than even a simple "no". I don't believe in child abuse, no, if that's what you're getting to.

7. As for anyone following other faiths, that is their choice. It is said, "judge, or be judged." I try and remind myself that one everyday. It's not my place to say if anyone is getting damned or not, regardless of my faith.

8. Non-believers are just non-believers. See #7.

9. I don't want this world destroyed, but it's obviously out of everyone's hands ( or is it? I hate self-fulfilled prophecies as much as anyone) . Things have been set into motion long before us, and they slowly are coming to a head. If the world ends, it ends.. nothing I can do about it. Actually, revelation is intrepretted so many different ways, it's sad. People looking or waiting for rapture, are sad. That's not how I live my life, by doom and the second coming, praying I'll be saved.

Oh, ending religion isn't about control. It's about enlightenment through education and policy reform. As stated in the prior thread, to end religion and irrational thought, as well as greed and powermongering, you have to make them obsolete by showing a better way to live through understanding and tolerance, and less glorification of material wealth. If you *like* human society in its present state, then I guess you have no reason to want to change it. Personally, I think we have a lot of progress to make, and part of that progress is necessarily the triumph of reason over superstition. Because without that particular win, a lot of other progress simply won't be possible.

I just gotta know.. where are you getting that from? Where are your rights and wrongs coming from? Human made law? Your conscience? What's a conscience? A buncha genes? Well where did that come from? And where are your ceilings? Where is the bottom? Are you overlord of the human race?

Personally, I don't think I could trust you at all with matters of the human race. Your system for "education" sounds more like enforced totalitarianism or fascism, or enforced eugenics of the Nth degree ( this one has spiritual genes, oh no, let's tone that down a bit) . " Do not believe this or you will be labeled insane and locked up!" Wow, you're fsckin' scary man. No really. Scary like a zealous right-wing, christian blowhard that wants to nuke everything in the name of god.

I just want to live my life peacefully, and just be nice with most people. I don't want all the Muslims dead... never voted for Bush... don't like mega-churches or much less church at all... and just try to do my best to make it in this world without excess.

If you seriously have a problem with me believing in Christ after all that.. tough shit. Deal with it. I have to listen to you people tear apart anything that isn't solid fact, sitting in front of your face... and well, I deal with it. Go ahead. Believe what you want to believe.

~Killthorne~

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HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:37 am

Killthorne, just stop it or Xenu will devour your brain! Everyone knows that Mulu won't have insane people commited in his perfect world. No, in his perfect world insane people are left alone to believe what they want. After all it's all about different degrees of madness. Mulu isn't arguing for enforced totalitarianism, all he wants is to re-educate you in order to think his way by changing the policies of america, and I guess everywhere else. . . you. . . would find religion. Anyway, that isn't important!!! You have to remember that imposing one's will on another person isn't fascism! Fascism is in fact, opposed to economic and social liberalism! Mulu is just suggesting a perfect future in which everyone will eventually be unified culturally with religion taking a backseat and who knows maybe it will be eliminated completely after he erodes civil liberties and freedom of religion.