Data entry needed: Feats & skills

Ronan · Post by **Ronan** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:51 am

darrenhfx wrote:Are we using all PRCs available in the new game?

I can't say for sure now, but lets go ahead assuming yes.

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:03 am

Do I use the same password as for the DM ftp?

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:32 am

Have to send this decision upstairs, warlock class skills aren't written up in any sourcebook as of yet so all we have to work from is this:

http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=NW ... elect_id=4

Care to fill in the remaining class skills for our complete class list?
X's indicate the class skills from those available in the game.

1 Appraise
2 Balance
3 Bluff X
4 Climb
5 Concentration X
6 DecipherScript
7 Diplomacy
8 DisableDevice
9 Disguise X
10 EscapeArtist
11 Forgery
12 GatherInformation
13 HandleAnimal
14 Heal X
15 Hide
16 Intimidate X
17 Jump X
18 Knowledge(arcana) X
19 Knowledge(architectureandengineering)
20 Knowledge(dungeoneering)
21 Knowledge(geography)
22 Knowledge(history)
23 Knowledge(nature)
24 Knowledge(nobilityandroyalty)
25 Knowledge(religion) X
26 Knowledge(theplanes) X
27 Listen
28 MoveSilently
29 OpenLock
30 Perform(act)
31 Perform(comedy)
32 Perform(dance)
33 Perform(keyboardinstruments)
34 Perform(oratory)
35 Perform(percussioninstruments)
36 Perform(stringinstruments)
37 Perform(windinstruments)
38 Perform(sing)
39 Profession X
40 Ride
41 Search
42 SenseMotive X
43 SleightOfHand
44 SpeakLanguage
45 Spellcraft X
46 Spot
47 Survival
48 Swim
49 Tumble
50 UseMagicDevice X

They have lore for a class skill as well so maybe arcana and the planes would be appropriate knowledges.

Ronan · Post by **Ronan** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:14 pm

The username and password are embedded in the URL I posted (IE can work it), and I've edited the above post with the Warlock's class skills from the Complete Arcane.

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:03 pm

Oh yeah... Complete Arcane.

I tried opening the ftp and it gave me the log-in pop-up.
It might be a matter of settings or firewall or something, I'll play with it later when I get home.

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:43 am

A few questions:

Arcane Trickster - In the DMG, it lists knowledge as a class skill without either saying "all skills, taken individually" or listing a specific knowledge type.

Shadow Thief of Amn - Although I believe PGtF is supposed to be 3.5, it lists innuendo and pick pocket as class skills.

Neverwinter 9 - There are 3 class skill 2da's for this prc; cls_skill_nw9ag, cls_skill_nw9mg, and class_skill_nw9wd. As I haven't tried playing this class, I'm not sure what the differences are.

A few of the prcs that didn't make it into the OC; shifter, kensei, mystic theurge as well as a few 2da's that I can't identify as prcs, *_contm and *_sacrd.

Any thoughts?

Ronan · Post by **Ronan** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:49 am

darrenhfx wrote:Arcane Trickster - In the DMG, it lists knowledge as a class skill without either saying "all skills, taken individually" or listing a specific knowledge type.

SRD says all skills, so lets go with that.

darrenhfx wrote:Shadow Thief of Amn - Although I believe PGtF is supposed to be 3.5, it lists innuendo and pick pocket as class skills.

Hrm. Not sure, we'll have to find someone with more knowledge of PnP. I'd bet WotC issued a correction for this at some point...

darrenhfx wrote:Neverwinter 9 - There are 3 class skill 2da's for this prc; cls_skill_nw9ag, cls_skill_nw9mg, and class_skill_nw9wd. As I haven't tried playing this class, I'm not sure what the differences are.

Don't bother with these, we aren't going to include the NW9 PrC in ALFA.

darrenhfx wrote:A few of the prcs that didn't make it into the OC; shifter, kensei, mystic theurge as well as a few 2da's that I can't identify as prcs, *_contm and *_sacrd.

Don't worry about non-implemented PrCs, just don't bother touching them.

Cassiel · Post by **Cassiel** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:04 pm

Ronan wrote:Hrm. Not sure, we'll have to find someone with more knowledge of PnP. I'd bet WotC issued a correction for this at some point...

I believe all the errata are online here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20060531a

The only errata I can see for the Shadow Thief is that they're meant to get +3d6 sneak attack at 5th level.

darrenhfx wrote:A few of the prcs that didn't make it into the OC; shifter, kensei, mystic theurge as well as a few 2da's that I can't identify as prcs, *_contm and *_sacrd.

Weirdly, the pre-sale toolset included several Mystic Theurge feats. I hope they do implement the class at some point, although this is largely because it would have made my NWN1 PC a little more useful!

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:14 pm

Last set of clarifications:

Weapon Master: According to Sword and Fist, they have Knowledge (weaponry) as a class skill. Thsi isn't one of the new knowledge catergories so we coudl either pick an existing category or I could add this new one.

Warpriest: Similar to WM, according to Defenders of the Faith has Knowledge(war) as a class skill which isn't amonst the newly added knowledge skills.

Shadow Thief: Pick Pocket has been renamed as Sleight of Hand and Innuendo has been rolled into Bluff. Is it alright to make these changes?

Ronan · Post by **Ronan** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:47 pm

darrenhfx wrote:Weapon Master: According to Sword and Fist, they have Knowledge (weaponry) as a class skill. Thsi isn't one of the new knowledge catergories so we coudl either pick an existing category or I could add this new one.

Looks like there isn't a 3.5 source for Weapon Master. I'm really not familiar with converting 3.0 PrCs to 3.5. Are there more class stills available to 3.0 PrCs, or less? Anyone know? For now though, I think we could just add ride in place of Knowledge (weaponry).

darrenhfx wrote:Warpriest: Similar to WM, according to Defenders of the Faith has Knowledge(war) as a class skill which isn't amonst the newly added knowledge skills.

Complete Divine (a 3.5 source) has it as knowledge (history), so lets go with that.

darrenhfx wrote:Shadow Thief: Pick Pocket has been renamed as Sleight of Hand and Innuendo has been rolled into Bluff. Is it alright to make these changes?

Thats fine.

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:49 am

Sounds good. So I have all of the class skill 2da's ready to be uploaded.

What's next on the list?

Ronan · Post by **Ronan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:10 am

w00t. Next step is to upload them, and then wait on some word from OE if custom TLKs will ever be fixed, and if the GUI will be patched so added skills are actually viewable

I can't imagine these things won't be coming... But one never knows.

Also, we could find all the PrCs with skill requirements which differ from canon (generally due to missing 3.5 skills), and all the feats which affect some of the removed skills. The PrC thing is trivial, but it might be difficult to track down all of the feats... I'm not really sure where the best place to find a listing of that sort of thing, either.

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:07 pm

Uploaded.

I'll start having a look at the feat files to get a better feel for them before I launch into making lists etc.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:51 pm

Not sure if this is the right thread -

Are we adding Weapon Focus - Ray to ALFA's version of NWN2?

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:17 pm

We could probably start a new thread to focus on feat-related concerns and change the name of this one to focus on skills.