Official 4ed Forgotten Realms Thread Spoilers and discussion

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:23 pm

How you likin' AoC mags? I think I might need to give monthly donations to another starving MMO company, at least for a little while. In other words, is it worth its weight in dying ethopians?

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:05 pm

Please send him a tell, Mags. Lets not derail the thread. Thanks.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:42 pm

Don't worry dan, I'll arsk him tonight on IRC. Whose derailing? I'm not derailing, what are you talking about?

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:45 pm

no worries. Ill let you know how the game is myself. Once capacity opens up I have a buddy key coming to me.

Post by **ayergo** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:14 pm

For those who don't want to rummage through lots of stuff, summary is here:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10792

I like how Ilmater is described as "Jack Tripper", moving in with Sune and Tymora. Bow chicka wow!

Avaz · Post by **Avaz** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:06 pm

ayergo wrote:For those who don't want to rummage through lots of stuff, summary is here:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10792

I like how Ilmater is described as "Jack Tripper", moving in with Sune and Tymora. Bow chicka wow!

Does Ilmater's landlord accidentally overhear Ilmater and Sune talk about something innocuous but he interprets it in a completely inappropriate way, thus letting the comedy ensue?

Kest · Post by **Kest** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:22 pm

Avaz wrote:
ayergo wrote:For those who don't want to rummage through lots of stuff, summary is here:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10792

I like how Ilmater is described as "Jack Tripper", moving in with Sune and Tymora. Bow chicka wow!
Does Ilmater's landlord accidentally overhear Ilmater and Sune talk about something innocuous but he interprets it in a completely inappropriate way, thus letting the comedy ensue?

Dante's Divine Sitcom

coach · Post by **coach** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:09 am

the "it's stale let's blow it up" under-25 yr old crowd also thought Shade was kewl idea

funny how they let kewl shade alone and didnt nuke them

which is exactly the crowd they cater too

witch · Post by **witch** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:28 am

I have just read the 4th edition rules and my conclusion is

MMO aka Warhammer online meets D&D

seems logical as the group aimed at is likely the 15year old WO player.

Mostly d&d for dummies.

the emphasis is on combat, combat and more combat. the priest spell list is a good example of this almost no rp spells at all

Its supposed to be simplified, but combat actions are still six pages as they were. they shuffled it a bit but thats all.

Skills: simplified and thus less diversity. rogue skills have been grouped under one skill.

number of feats has been tripled... more simple??

xp/levelling.. from a easy one xp table complicated many tables..

im beginning to see the need for having a laptop playing this game.

Basically for me i dont see what the impovement is compared to 3.5,but them again im likely not the target group.. 15 year old WO player..

3.5 worked fine aka just making money change

hollyfant · Post by **hollyfant** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:13 pm

The three books that now make up the core game are enough for an enjoyable bout of hack & slash. But that's about it. To achieve anything resembling the intricacies of 3.5 we need much, much more. Prepare to shell out.

As for the Realms: I'll miss one thing above anything else. Ed Greenwood.

With Faerûn being fast-forwarded, his titbits of canon will become less and less relevant. Which is a real pity, because he can add flavour in a way no subsidiary of Hasbro would ever dare or consider lucrative enough.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:32 pm

I haven't PnP'd since 2e. Last couple of posts remind me of what a lot of 2e players thought of 3e. The whole ruleset in 3e appeared pretty overly dumbed down to appeal to computer RPG players to me.

And now I hear 4e has been dumbed down to appeal to the MMO players and doesn't match up to the "intricacies of 3.5". In ~10 years time they'll be saying 5e has been too dumbed down for the next generation of players and lacks the complexities of 4e.

JaydeMoon · Post by **JaydeMoon** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:39 pm

Your sister lacks the complexities of your mother... but they BOTH can be a LOT of fun!

Grand Fromage · Post by **Grand Fromage** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:36 pm

NickD wrote:I haven't PnP'd since 2e. Last couple of posts remind me of what a lot of 2e players thought of 3e. The whole ruleset in 3e appeared pretty overly dumbed down to appeal to computer RPG players to me.

And now I hear 4e has been dumbed down to appeal to the MMO players and doesn't match up to the "intricacies of 3.5". In ~10 years time they'll be saying 5e has been too dumbed down for the next generation of players and lacks the complexities of 4e.

Yep. All bitching, no substance, just like last time. D&D will continue.

Kest · Post by **Kest** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:42 am

hollyfant wrote:As for the Realms: I'll miss one thing above anything else. Ed Greenwood.

is this the same man that brought us spellfire and mary sue magicians

Joos · Post by **Joos** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:49 pm

Tehehee

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080609

And, Witch, a simplification of the combat system was necessary. A high level party fighting one encounter with a shadow dragon took us more than 4 hours in the 3.5 rules. And my mates know the rules inside out, no nonsense arguing over rule interpretation or anything like that, only die-modification calculation, distance calculations and board movement, spell casting and die rolling.

3.5 was filled with good intentions, but in reality was an unwieldy beast. Also, I agree with Amar and GF, the stale broth that is FR could do with a bit of mucking around with.