In Thorin's defense...

[Ithildur]

Myk, you'll be proud do know a couple of us very recently have been instilling the fear of Drow into the hearts of PCs once again.

To be fair, it's a bit out of context; ALFA is overall much tamer than it used to be as far as out of game drama (and in game as well to some extent... big changes to CvC rules on their way for better or for worse); we just have to kill this one annoying split that often comes up between 'veterans/elitists' and 'noob Haven PGers'.

[Wild Wombat]

Jeebus, talk about a post with unintended but happy consequences! GF, Fluff and now Mikayla? Where's Fionn?

[Heero]

Ithidur wrote:

A LOT of alfan's left over the years, not because of elite or PG rulesets, but because of some people's inability to get along. Last thing we'd want is to have folks come back after getting the emails to check us out again, to see more of the same going on between 'elites' and 'noobs'.

The irony is only exceeded by the timing. You wrote that, what, yesterday, and today for the first time in a long time, I just happen to cruise the boards looking for an old library post?!? Ha.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Manifestos? Elite vs. noob? Majority vs. minority?

Well, I have to say I had a good laugh skimming through this thread. This has been a nostalgic couple of days - I ran into Vixisyn and Ebonith and others through Facebook and then looked through the Menzo forums, which prompted me (courtesy of Ebonith) to come here looking for an old IC library post (which I found - many thanks to y'all for not deleting anything from the library - that is awesome).

Anyway, I don't know if I am saddened or comforted to see that ALFA has not changed (2 PC rule not withstanding - its the character of the place I am referring to of course, not the substance of the rules). That said, I can't say I'm sad that the old girl is still kicking - gives me hope for ... something. I dunno. Its fun to see ALFA still running though. Ciao.

Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn't say something in drow - so - vendui bitches.

Mikayla

Tell Vixi that Burt misses her. Thanks.

[Mikayla]

Odd that you ask about Fionn - I got an email from him today, but it wasn't about gaming at all. Other stuff. I will let him know he's missed around here.

As for putting the fear of drow into PCs - how in the abyss did it ever leave them?!? People are slacking! If I could find my whip-of-fangs, I'd ... I'd ... I'd do something drow like. Yeah, thats it. Thats the ticket.

@SwordSaintMusashi: Good to see you again also - err ... read your posts. Whateva.

I don't mean to hijack the thread (like I really ever cared about that - I think I once made the argument it was duty as a drow to hijack threads) - what exactly are y'all playing now? Still NWN2? How many folks are in ALFA - I think in skimming the thread I saw the number 79. Is that all thats left? It wouldn't be surprising of course - in fact, I am pleasantly surprised to see ALFA still kicking, so 79 is good - its just hard to wrap my head around when I think of ALFA's busier days when we had, I dunno, hundreds of players. Still, its cool that things are still running along.

BTW - I went through the library and re-read the first entry of "Lord of the ALFA" - I was damn funny back then (and no, the years have obviously not mellowed my narcissism). It is really fun to see all the familiar names and ... well ... everything. There are a LOT of unfamiliar names of course, and I think I got 3 or 4 pages into the libary before I saw something I had read before, but still, I glad y'all have survived. Kudos to y'all.

P.S. @Heero: You want me to help Burt stalk Vixi? I think not. Nice to hear from you though.

EDIT/P.P.S. Nice to see as well Wombat (still can't call you WW - for me those initials are syonymous with a certain other old-time ALFAn who shall remain nameless).

[zicada]

The problem really is that too many of you guys are content with the "we're a sinking ship" dynamic. It's been that way for years apparently, i know it was like that when i was still around and thats a long time ago. Remember the game A and game B thing ? Sinkingship is clearly game B, and apparently quite a few people here think its a really fun game.

Hindsight: Should've sold it more in the email you guys sent. Directing people to my shitty webdesign from 09 before i knew webdesign isn't a great sellingpoint in its own right.

So you're stuck with the 2pc thing now, and all the oldtimers hate it (its totally stupid). How much does it actually matter though day to day in game ? If it means 2 more people play on average per server per day, does one even give a shit ?

So you're low and empty on players and its really hard to get new people. Yeah NWN2 isnt selling. Theres a limited pool of people who might play in alfa, many hate alfa, most arent into it anymore. There are a few to grab from other less good PWs and thats it.

Remember ALFA isnt a 2000+ active player 13 server community anymore. You're a small group. Do the administration and group-management in a way that reflects that. There are a whole ton of things we could afford back in the day that are way too expensive now. If i were you, i'd focus only on how to get people to be on the servers and play, and far less on ridiclous game B, by making it far less fun to play.

Bastards.

[Stormbring3r]

Ithidur wrote:

A LOT of alfan's left over the years, not because of elite or PG rulesets, but because of some people's inability to get along. Last thing we'd want is to have folks come back after getting the emails to check us out again, to see more of the same going on between 'elites' and 'noobs'.

The irony is only exceeded by the timing. You wrote that, what, yesterday, and today for the first time in a long time, I just happen to cruise the boards looking for an old library post?!? Ha.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Manifestos? Elite vs. noob? Majority vs. minority?

Well, I have to say I had a good laugh skimming through this thread. This has been a nostalgic couple of days - I ran into Vixisyn and Ebonith and others through Facebook and then looked through the Menzo forums, which prompted me (courtesy of Ebonith) to come here looking for an old IC library post (which I found - many thanks to y'all for not deleting anything from the library - that is awesome).

Anyway, I don't know if I am saddened or comforted to see that ALFA has not changed (2 PC rule not withstanding - its the character of the place I am referring to of course, not the substance of the rules). That said, I can't say I'm sad that the old girl is still kicking - gives me hope for ... something. I dunno. Its fun to see ALFA still running though. Ciao.

Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn't say something in drow - so - vendui bitches.

Mikayla

[Heero]

It pleases me to inform you (and hopefully, thru you, Vixi) that Burt has (finally) taken a serious interest in his own physical fitness. I can you that with my help he has become a specimen of a man, not unlike myself, thru his daily wrecking of his body at his local gym. I truly feel that any STP would be pleased - nay, ecstatic - to attract interest from such a man, from my brother of a different mother, Burt, a modern day master of the universe, like myself.

[Adanu]

The problem really is that too many of you guys are content with the "we're a sinking ship" dynamic. It's been that way for years apparently, i know it was like that when i was still around and thats a long time ago. Remember the game A and game B thing ? Sinkingship is clearly game B, and apparently quite a few people here think its a really fun game.

Hindsight: Should've sold it more in the email you guys sent. Directing people to my shitty webdesign from 09 before i knew webdesign isn't a great sellingpoint in its own right.

So you're stuck with the 2pc thing now, and all the oldtimers hate it (its totally stupid). How much does it actually matter though day to day in game ? If it means 2 more people play on average per server per day, does one even give a shit ?

So you're low and empty on players and its really hard to get new people. Yeah NWN2 isnt selling. Theres a limited pool of people who might play in alfa, many hate alfa, most arent into it anymore. There are a few to grab from other less good PWs and thats it.

Remember ALFA isnt a 2000+ active player 13 server community anymore. You're a small group. Do the administration and group-management in a way that reflects that. There are a whole ton of things we could afford back in the day that are way too expensive now. If i were you, i'd focus only on how to get people to be on the servers and play, and far less on ridiclous game B, by making it far less fun to play.

Bastards.

[Mikayla]

@Heero: lulz. That is too funny, you crack me up. Alright, I will tell her. Afterall, who can resist a "speciman of a man"?!?

[dergon darkhelm]

Hi Mik!


You should make a PC.

I've got room for a second PC these days..... I'll sidekick whatever you roll-up

Hope RL is good!

[Galadorn]

Hi Mik!

2 PCs sucks.

Welcome back!

Autobots. Let's "roll"....a PC.

[Wild Wombat]

EDIT/P.P.S. Nice to see as well Wombat (still can't call you WW - for me those initials are syonymous with a certain other old-time ALFAn who shall remain nameless).

Yeah. I am really WW2. Always have been. The nameless one earned that moniker.

But, this is getting really maudlin here! Zic, you have ideas, so get more involved! Who cares if there are so few new players that want to get in ALFA? If we could just get twenty percent of the people that have already played in ALFA and gone inactive to come back and give it a try again, we don't need new players.

And I am not talking about old guard versus new guard elite versus noob. Jeez, I am an example of old-new-elite-noob. There are players that joined in the last year that are great. I would love for them to meet up and RP with the folks I knew back in the day. New would impress old and vice versa.

Shite. I think I am channeling Knute Rockney, so I'm going to stop typing and have another glass of wine.

[Mikayla]

Hey DD, nice to hear from you. I don't have NWN1 or 2 installed anymore, let alone all the down-loads, the ACR, etc. In fact, I think I am on at least my 2nd or 3rd computer since leaving ALFA. I appreciate the invite though, and if my son leaves after this school year (which he might) I may actually have time enough to play a game. At the moment, I am doing the single-parent thing, which doesn't leave a lot of spare time (thoug somehow, today, I am finding a lot of time to post on forums and read old library posts).

There is also the slight problem that I haven't a clue how to play anymore. C'est la vie.

@Thorin: sorry to hijack your "in-defense of..." thread. I originally posted because I was laughing so hard at Ithildur's sense of timing. But its hard not to wander down the path of nostalgia when its staring you in the face, so, please forgive. Thanks.

@Galadorn: Ha, thanks. "Roll" a PC - thats a good one. Even in pen-n-paper games no one rolls PCs anymore. I kind of miss it, even though it was horribly unfair and people cheated like crazy (in pen-n-paper games I mean). All the good-old-days.

Speaking of the good old days, there is one quote from ALFA that still echoes around my house on a regular basis - it was from Danubus (I think, or one of the other very religious folks) who referred to me as an "Abomination before God." I mentioned that to my son (its one of my all time favorite insults to have received) and he's been laughing about ever since - and quoting it. I'm no longer mom, I'm "the Abomination." I hoping to level-up soon and become the "Whore of Babylon" but there is a lot of competition for that, so I am not holding my breath. Ciao.

M.

[danielmn]

Damn good to see you p[osting, Mik.

[Mikayla]

Nice to see you as well Dan, how are things?