The tripping chart.

[loulabelle]

The sourcebook "lords of darkness" has several pages on drugs in FR including types, effects, addiction and such. Probably easy to find a .pdf on the interwebs but if anyone would like me to scan my copy just ask.

[Swift]

Galadorn, that stance feels very... American or to a certain degree, very Western. Graphic, extreme violence is a-ok for young consumption in all forms of media, but a nipple slip gets the attention of Congress or Michael Phelps smoking a blunt gets condemned like he was the devil himself.

It is such a hypocritical stance to take. It is a shame it is such a pervasive stance throughout most of western society. I don't blame you for having it, but it doesn't make it any less crazy.

[Galadorn]

Yea. Um nah.

My 'stance' is not as individually/personally "hypocritical" as you might think (of me). As I said, i've indulged and do not at all condemn even current drug users. Never said that. To each his own. But we have consent rules and such for other touchy subjects. I think this touchy subject is one ALFA should not just dump in the public forums with detailed charts that for the most part belittle it to some extent and make it more acceptable in a world we all take seriously when it comes to the RP. It was accepted (by all and I) as is just fine for many years. ust throwing my 2 cents in about maybe thinking deeper on it before the thread ended up "all about how fun/realistic we can make our drug addict PCs act" by laying out realistic guidelines on how to "help" people act tripped out? hmm... Anyway, let's go for it!

[Galadorn]

And we were not talking about murder. Or even rape/other-explicitly and more commonly used and known, and approved to be RP'd with consent. Comparing this idea to those once again, belittle's it's major importance as its own very touchy (dangerous?) subject to discuss and make light of in a game world where we basically allow anyone to play.

As Zelknolf put clearly, we cannot determine for sure if our members that apply to be a part of this community actually are "of a mature enough age" to be able to treat these subjects seriously enough and "know the difference" completely... that being so, we should be even more...careful.

[Adanu]

Yea. Um nah.

My 'stance' is not as individually/personally "hypocritical" as you might think (of me). As I said, i've indulged and do not at all condemn even current drug users. Never said that. To each his own. But we have consent rules and such for other touchy subjects. I think this touchy subject is one ALFA should not just dump in the public forums with detailed charts that for the most part belittle it to some extent and make it more acceptable in a world we all take seriously when it comes to the RP. It was accepted (by all and I) as is just fine for many years. ust throwing my 2 cents in about maybe thinking deeper on it before the thread ended up "all about how fun/realistic we can make our drug addict PCs act" by laying out realistic guidelines on how to "help" people act tripped out? hmm... Anyway, let's go for it!

Belittle? I see nothing wrong with a baseline dice chart for those who like RPing this out. This is an option, nothing more.

Let's not bring RL Political Correctness into ALFA. Pretty please?

[Castano]

you guys are tripping. If we are gonna not have an optional chart to play a drug addict, we better not have any sexual content at all either, or extreme violence (e.g. torture). Use the chart if it helps you play your PC, if not don't use it. If drugs bother you opt out of that RP session. I opt out of stuff sometimes, nobody kills me for it. But lets not trample on the games of others who are seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth.

[Veilan]

others who are seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth.

You're not trying to say people not using a tripping chart aren't seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth, are you?

Anyway, ALFA has far more need of a tripper chart.

[t-ice]

This thread has been quite the trip. If it floats your boat, trip on!

Next, Demon Rape Chart

[Hialmar]

I just wanted to add that this forum is not public.

Only members can see it. I.e. people who stated that they are above 18.

[Swift]

This thread has been quite the trip. If it floats your boat, trip on!

Next, Demon Rape Chart

I am sure Mikalya or Freak could pull one of those out with just a couple minutes searching.

[Brokenbone]

The sourcebook "lords of darkness" has several pages on drugs in FR including types, effects, addiction and such. Probably easy to find a .pdf on the interwebs but if anyone would like me to scan my copy just ask.

I think the Book of Vile Darkness also has stats on a bunch of narcotics which are represented in game in BG at least... even with some degree of scripting for the temporary ability buffs / penalties, some kind of addiction system and cure disease interaction. I'd think almost all of those substances, it describes quite a bit about background and the impacts (like Sannish... euphoric, end up ignoring pain, but OD = a stupor for hours and hours... PS your lips turn blue.)

While it'd be kind of odd to RP something utterly non-IC for like a "known" D&D drug (have a couple PCs who play Sannish fiends, then a 3rd guy comes along and says "Imma try Sannish" and then runs around all bloodthirsty PCP rage to the dismay of the other 2 who RP it a different way), it's kind of a who cares, maybe someone had a bad trip with their own private d20 or d100 system they had fun with for reactions.

[Castano]

others who are seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth.

You're not trying to say people not using a tripping chart aren't seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth, are you?

Anyway, ALFA has far more need of a tripper chart.

No Veilan, perhaps you misread my comment? You're engaging in a logical fallacy. The opposite of a statement is not always true. This is a case in point.

Consider this: people who use cars to travel are traveling. Those who do not use cars are not necessarily not traveling. (they could be taking the train or an airplane)

"Barring" (by showering it with disdain) someone from using the chart to help portray a fantasy character with depth, does not mean that those who choose not to use the chart and use other means to RP their PCs are not portraying PCs with depth.

[Ronan]

Relatedly, the presence of a logical fallacy does not make an assertion untrue. Heuristics are necessary, always flawed, and the good ones are worth their flaws.

However I continue to assert that Veilan is a snark, and await his reply to Castano's devastating rebuttal.

[Swift]

Though I suppose is is debatable whether a thread is actually dead after 2 weeks of inactivity

[Veilan]

others who are seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth.

You're not trying to say people not using a tripping chart aren't seeking to portray a fantasy character with some level of depth, are you?

Anyway, ALFA has far more need of a tripper chart.

No Veilan, perhaps you misread my comment?

Quite possible, hence why I was asking what you were saying.

You're engaging in a logical fallacy. The opposite of a statement is not always true. This is a case in point.

Consider this: people who use cars to travel are traveling. Those who do not use cars are not necessarily not traveling. (they could be taking the train or an airplane)

Actually, you engaged in the fallacy here - the "opposite" statement (Umkehrschluss) of "If people use cars, then they are traveling." is not "If people do not use cars, then they are not traveling." but is actually "If people are not traveling, then they are not using cars."
(A -> B means ┐B -> ┐A).

"Barring" (by showering it with disdain) someone from using the chart to help portray a fantasy character with depth, does not mean that those who choose not to use the chart and use other means to RP their PCs are not portraying PCs with depth.

That's my understanding as well, hence why I tried to ask whether you were saying "Those using a tripping chart engage in meaningful RP." or "Those engaging in meaningful RP use a tripping chart."

I also still posit that a tripper chart is more urgently needed, a claim that has yet to be refuted.

Cheers,