whats wrong with alfa?

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Re: whats wrong with alfa?

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Castano wrote:No OGR is right. We often do stuff not when we feel like like it, but when it must be done. When someone stays up to 3AM fixing a server so it can be ready for someone else's game the next day that they are not DMing, or not playing in, well it would be nice if they did not wake up bleary eyed to a pile of posts about what's wrong with ALFA. We spent the summer making vast improvements to ALFA and now wake up to this crap.

I'm 50% ready to check out of here for good. IMO what's wrong with ALFA is the membership's sense of entitlement.
I would note that this sort of culture goes with every game you'll find-- even if our world was lego, there would be people feeling entitled to a certain behavior of the yellow bricks, cries of awful conspiracy whenever the yellow bricks changed, and hate directed toward all (perceived) responsible. Everyone who holds different values is 'toxic' to those not, and their voicing of disagreement is 'what's wrong with this place', wherever 'this place' happens to be.

I don't think the solution is trying to squelch dissent; whenever work is public, it's going to get feedback from that public, and some of it is going to be unfavorable. Some of it is going to make the people who did the work feel totally-unjustly attacked. I can think of at least once instance where each sitting admin and every person complaining about it has done as much themselves. I'm betting that everyone in this thread has, though I can't boast specific references for everyone here, because it is such a typical and pervasive gesture here and everywhere else. Frankly, I think that trying to censor it, as suggested in the attempt at a positively-spun thread, is quintessentially tyrranical-- and act of silencing criticism by fiat instead of improvement-- and that we'd see our community actually driven into the ground (as opposed to folk seeing an increase in activity on the macro scale with a decrease on the micro scale as if it were us driving into the ground) by the attempt.
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Re: whats wrong with alfa?

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I think we should get way more corporate then Zelk.

From now on my response to all complaints will be:

Thank you for your feedback. Managing a game world with multiple participants means that we often cannot respond to every suggestion, however we do appreciate your feedback and hope you are enjoying your experience with our product.

I'm going back to Grand Fromage's mark all topics read status for the foreseeable future. See you guys later :).
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Re: whats wrong with alfa?

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It seems like bringing up issues people have is one again being looked at as useless whining. I've known people with that mindset and they usually ignore building issues until the dam breaks and suddenly wonder why it cracked in the first place.

And no, I'm not saying ALFA is a dam waiting to break. That was an example. What I AM saying is that the mindset of people who talk out their grievances are whiners who complain about everything isn't going to help anyone.

ALFA Has a lot of good things going for it, but it also has bad. I love the statics and the detail put into areas as well as fleshed out PCs and the DMs who make good stories. I love that our tech people are actually working on things and that things are improving over time.

I just hope it doesn't come to ALFA actually taking on the dam metaphor in a current sense.
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Re: whats wrong with alfa?

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Adanu wrote:It seems like bringing up issues people have is one again being looked at as useless whining. I've known people with that mindset and they usually ignore building issues until the dam breaks and suddenly wonder why it cracked in the first place.

And no, I'm not saying ALFA is a dam waiting to break. That was an example. What I AM saying is that the mindset of people who talk out their grievances are whiners who complain about everything isn't going to help anyone.

ALFA Has a lot of good things going for it, but it also has bad. I love the statics and the detail put into areas as well as fleshed out PCs and the DMs who make good stories. I love that our tech people are actually working on things and that things are improving over time.

I just hope it doesn't come to ALFA actually taking on the dam metaphor in a current sense.
Bringing up issues in a mature, willing to discuss manner is alright.

The attacks on admins and Dungeon Masters lately have not been polite or mature, and accomplish nothing but frustrating people not even involved.
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Re: whats wrong with alfa?

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SwordSaintMusashi wrote:
Adanu wrote:It seems like bringing up issues people have is one again being looked at as useless whining. I've known people with that mindset and they usually ignore building issues until the dam breaks and suddenly wonder why it cracked in the first place.

And no, I'm not saying ALFA is a dam waiting to break. That was an example. What I AM saying is that the mindset of people who talk out their grievances are whiners who complain about everything isn't going to help anyone.

ALFA Has a lot of good things going for it, but it also has bad. I love the statics and the detail put into areas as well as fleshed out PCs and the DMs who make good stories. I love that our tech people are actually working on things and that things are improving over time.

I just hope it doesn't come to ALFA actually taking on the dam metaphor in a current sense.
Bringing up issues in a mature, willing to discuss manner is alright.

The attacks on admins and Dungeon Masters lately have not been polite or mature, and accomplish nothing but frustrating people not even involved.
Which attacks are you speaking of?
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Pillar #11: Thy displeasure shall be known to all.
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Adanu wrote:
SwordSaintMusashi wrote:
Adanu wrote:It seems like bringing up issues people have is one again being looked at as useless whining. I've known people with that mindset and they usually ignore building issues until the dam breaks and suddenly wonder why it cracked in the first place.

And no, I'm not saying ALFA is a dam waiting to break. That was an example. What I AM saying is that the mindset of people who talk out their grievances are whiners who complain about everything isn't going to help anyone.

ALFA Has a lot of good things going for it, but it also has bad. I love the statics and the detail put into areas as well as fleshed out PCs and the DMs who make good stories. I love that our tech people are actually working on things and that things are improving over time.

I just hope it doesn't come to ALFA actually taking on the dam metaphor in a current sense.
Bringing up issues in a mature, willing to discuss manner is alright.

The attacks on admins and Dungeon Masters lately have not been polite or mature, and accomplish nothing but frustrating people not even involved.
Which attacks are you speaking of?
Have you read this thread yet? Or the last one?
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Re: whats wrong with alfa?

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Okay, this has fallen far enough off topic, and is nearing the Uncivil Zone.

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