Amn PC's

[kid]

To any other server other than Amn/Exo... the answer would be a clear no.

We allready been in the proccess (though it kinda failed) of joining the two togather.

Just because ALFA "won" that doesnt mean we need to strong arm old amn players. This is not some cold business where the bigger, stronger company takes advantage of its weaker partner while its down...

We only offer what we were willing to offer long ago anyway.

[Heero]

Suggestion for fair compromise:

Transferred Amn Exodus PCs are relegated solely to the new Amn ALFA server.

[loulabelle]

How many Exo:Amn players are interested in doing this? This may yet all be much ado about nowt.

Played on Amn for 2(?) years, same PC. She's becoming an NPC, playing her full time again now, would just be a bit weird to me. So as an Exodus player, you can count me out.

[Adanu]

Suggestion for fair compromise:

Transferred Amn Exodus PCs are relegated solely to the new Amn ALFA server.

Trolling does not help, heero.

[Heero]

That is no troll. Its fair and reasonable and should arouse no complaints from current ALFAns nor former Exodi.

[I-KP]

If someone gets an option someone else doesn't get then it's a disadvantage

If the bigger picture was not in consideration then I would be inclined to agree; in the same vein, it would be parochial to postulate that no-one would benefit aside from the Exo:Amn players and that some form of compensation was thereby due.

Without doubt this would benefit ALFA:Amn, allowing it to hit the ground running, and in turn that would benefit ALFA as a whole. None of the Exo:Amn players are profiting, it would be a transfer of value not the creation or gifting of new value, and no skin would be shaved off ALFAn noses in doing so. To some measureable degree, everyone wins.

I still think it would be helpful to hear how and why some ALFAns would be disadvantaged by this on a singular, personal level. Until some specific examples are placed on the table you might be creating bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake. If there is no damage being done, why then still insist on offering compensation.

[Zelknolf]

If some ALFAns feel that they would be disadvantaged by allowing some Exo:Amn PCs to be rebuilt within ALFA:Amn then perhaps those disadvantages should be laid bare and explained clearly

My current character was previously a character in an ALFA splinter project-- she was a clr 3/wiz 3/MT 3, with a robust history built upon highly-challenging interactions under one of ALFA's DMs using similar policies to ALFA (more restrictive than Exodus, even-- the DMs did not give PCs any artifacts, and the DMs were not allowed to play where they DMed). We all maintained our membership in ALFA (something Exodus can't say), were all members in good standing (something Exodus can't say), and have adapted the unique content developed for that world to ALFA (something Exodus will eventually be able to say-- but it wasn't exactly built for compatibility, so that's obviously a bit of work).

There was no outcry nor massive discussion had about whether I should start with 45,000xp, or for any of anyone else's concepts that got their sea legs on a splinter project (they, too, are common as dirt)-- and that's fine; it would have been absurd. These things actively and intentionally break compatibility with ALFA as part of being formed, and pointedly do not function under ALFA's government or oversight. The thing that has been pressed here is how much "fun" it will be to get your free levels and how we should be "nice" to this particular failed project, but there's no explanation for why we should call Exodus special or why other projects aren't special and aren't "fun" enough to just drop their old toons into play.

[kid]

Again, I may not have all the information... Correct me if im wrong please.

But in case ALFA and Exo would have merged back then...
We had no problem with Exo people bringing thier toons over, right?

Why has that changed just because we are now in a position of power?

[Adanu]

That is no troll. Its fair and reasonable and should arouse no complaints from current ALFAns nor former Exodi.

No.

The thing that has been pressed here is how much "fun" it will be to get your free levels and how we should be "nice" to this particular failed project, but there's no explanation for why we should call Exodus special or why other projects aren't special and aren't "fun" enough to just drop their old toons into play.

If your intention is to make everything come down to hard, cold logic...

Exodus and ALFA -after the 'rebellious' core founders of Exodus were gone, left- were more or less the same except that Exodus was a lot more restrictive. This 'absorption is basically what Exodus would have done if tech had been allowed. It just would have been on each others own terms.

If you can't see the fun side of this for everyone involved, and the players can't see anything but 'FREE LEVELS', where is all the talk about levels and loot not mattering, the story being the main thing here? Personally, I only want levels because they are part of Damiens story; an acolyte druid who learned in the fire of war and nature under fire with him being the lonely shield against the onslught. Take his levels away, and he ceases to be this PC. People here say more players is good, then they have a problem with 'fairness' in loot when it isn't supposed to matter?

Make up your minds.

[I-KP]

The thing that has been pressed here is how much "fun" it will be to get your free levels and how we should be "nice" to this particular failed project, but there's no explanation for why we should call Exodus special or why other projects aren't special and aren't "fun" enough to just drop their old toons into play.

Actually, the only thing that's being pressed here is your personal axe grinding. We've gone from wispy, supposedly irreconcilable technical obstructions to the repeated labelling of all Exo:Amn players as being party to failure. Amazingly enough, the people that ended up running Exodus want to come here and make ALFA better. How very dare they. It would be nice if we could keep this civil rather than banging on old drums about people who aren't even on the scene anymore that knocked your nose out of joint 200 years ago.

As kid points out, Exodus was in the process of being bridged; broad agreement was achieved on both sides. The only outstanding issue was the multiple PC question, a perennial issue within ALFA every bit as much as it was in Exo at the time so ALFA cannot blame Exo for that. Anyway, it was looking likely that the one PC per player rule was going to prevail and that people who had characters in both game would have been forced to choose which one they wanted to play. Oh, and guess what we would have ended up with? Yes, that's right: exactly what is being proposed here. This isn't a course correction; the end result is exactly the same.

[Heero]

It is fair. Exodus people are able to play their precious PCs, and ALFA people dont have to complain about new, high(er) level PCs appearing out of nowhere to interject into existing plots. I dont even think ALFAns need be awarded anything as compensation, in this instance, as Veilan suggests. Everyone wins!

[Adanu]

It is fair. Exodus people are able to play their precious PCs, and ALFA people dont have to complain about new, high(er) level PCs appearing out of nowhere to interject into existing plots. I dont even think ALFAns need be awarded anything as compensation, in this instance, as Veilan suggests. Everyone wins!

No.

[Heero]

Yes.

[I-KP]

It is fair. Exodus people are able to play their precious PCs, and ALFA people dont have to complain about new, high(er) level PCs appearing out of nowhere to interject into existing plots. I dont even think ALFAns need be awarded anything as compensation, in this instance, as Veilan suggests. Everyone wins!

Is that really how you see this?

(Unless I've misunderstood the dripping ooze of sarcasm hanging off every word.)

[Heero]

I read people complaining it isnt fair that these new PCs are going to get stuff that they had outside of ALFA. Isnt that how you read it?