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JaydeMoon wrote:And he's worried about anonymous mods abusing their authority?

If WWs posts are inconsistent with the purpose of Platform Threads, moderate them out. Don't badger folks with more trolling and then hammer with a blunt show of force when they respond to it.

Remember what I said about hypocrisy?
Um, he was kidding Jay, calm down.

Also, this is the wrong thread for this kinda stuff, whatever that stuff is. Start a new one if you feel like its important.

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Hi, just to clear things up, my first post was definitely on topic. It addressed many of the stances Lancaster presented.

The second post i made was a tangent, but i thought it would be helpful for Lancaster to gain insight into how DMs think, feel.


/tangent


The Magile/Zicada comments succeeded in distracting away from what i wrote. My comments about zicada was mostly in jest, me pushing his buttons on historical issues. I hold no ill will to any member of this community, although i really wish people would stick to the issues and not undermine other people's posts with snide comments or ridicule.

So, love to all, and i hope you take the time to read my, and everyone else, posts.

Roy

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Let's hope we can stay on topic. :)
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LancasterX_2, good luck with the election - I'll go out and say that I've liked some of the things you've suggested.

I've a question or two for you, though -

What would you want the legacy from your term to be? You mentioned shifting focus away from standards and back to administration of DMs, but how do you intend to accomplish that?
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paazin wrote:LancasterX_2, good luck with the election - I'll go out and say that I've liked some of the things you've suggested.

I've a question or two for you, though -

What would you want the legacy from your term to be? You mentioned shifting focus away from standards and back to administration of DMs, but how do you intend to accomplish that?
Thank you for your fair questions.

1. I hope my legacy would be to bring in more DM's, especially those DM's who have been part of ALFA before, but have been treated with mistrust by their fellow ALFAn's when they are forced to jump through red taped hoops to become DM's again despite glowing records. I am gambling that there are many old DM's watching the forums ready to come back in when the barriers are lifted.

A clarification on HDM's. They run a server. They maintain a server. They are the steward of the server. But the server belongs to ALFA. The DM's for that server (that belongs to ALFA) will be selected by the DMA. The DMA also selects the HDM. The DM's work for ALFA, not an HDM. HDM's may police their servers, and if they have an issue wityh a DM, they may bring it up with the DMA, who will have a dispute process like the PA dispute process but onl;y for DM's.

My platform is on the rights of the DM. It is about ensuring that they can DM with as little red tape as possible. Cut the middle man out (the HDM). The DM's are selected, trained, and managed by the DMA. If the DM has a bad rep, it will come out when the DMA does a background check. If he has had a good rep, and he turns out bad, let the HDM report the incident and put the DM through a dispute process to defend his/her rights. Players are allowed this process, why not DMs?



2. I hope to open DMA voting to all ALFA'ns so that all of ALFA may decide how they wish their DM's to be chosen and the supervised, instead of the select few HDM's and DM's that prefer their way of running things and refuse a change by the people by continuing their strangle hold on who they think should be the DMA: the one who caters to their best interest instead of all of ALFA's.

3. The standards stuff needs to go to the LA as it is one of the single most important doctrines that holds ALFA together. The DMA should be subordinate to the standards lead, the LA, as the DMA supervises its implemenation with the DM corps, not how it is decided and created.

I appreciate anyone who votes for me, as it will show people are interested in real change and fairness, and not a popluarity contest. I also know that Ayergo is top notch and an awesome candidate.
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I believe that we can attract more former ALFA DM's to DM on both NWN1 and NWN2 servers by removing the strings that are stopping them.
If your policies get up, I am announcing right now that I will leave alfa until such time as you are removed. Thats 1 less DM/player/builder alfa will have. This is not a flame, a joke or a half-assed promise, this is the truth.

The string that is holding me here is building teh Moonsea. If you take that away then I no longer have any inclination to be here.

How will you deal with the harsh reality that your policies will do the opposite of what you claim?
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Thangorn wrote:
How will you deal with the harsh reality that your policies will do the opposite of what you claim?
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Demson wrote:Us PR efforteers are currently working on a promotional campaign. The idea is to base it on a progressive story of some kind, which reacts to applicants and ALFA world developments, and with developments that can be advertised.

Working on this, I came to the realisation that ALFA as an administration and community has very little attention going towards plots. This is strange, since plots is what most of our in-game roleplay eventually results in. It's what our roleplay is about.

According to the charter, part of the HDM's responsibility is global plots and quests. Do you have a vision on this? Any experience? Any plans for an effort on this? How much effort would go to standards and the management of Dungeon Masters and how much would go to this?
Requoting my question as it seems to have gone unnoticed under all the other replies.
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LancasterX_2 wrote: 1. I hope my legacy would be to bring in more DM's, especially those DM's who have been part of ALFA before, but have been treated with mistrust by their fellow ALFAn's when they are forced to jump through red taped hoops to become DM's again despite glowing records. I am gambling that there are many old DM's watching the forums ready to come back in when the barriers are lifted.
Knowing how things presently work would help you in your efforts to present your arguments. Here are the existing positions: PDM, ADM, EADM and HDM. To become a PDM, you just ask an HDM, and you're in. To become an ADM (which really isn't any different than a PDM, it's just a silly title), the DMA has to approve you. The specifics of all this is outlined in the charter. Might consider reading it.
A clarification on HDM's. They run a server. They maintain a server. They are the steward of the server. But the server belongs to ALFA.
This is incorrect. The server is a physical object, a piece of hardware, a computer. It is where the 'module' is stored. Someone, a member, has to either be paying for that server (and its huge bandwidth net connection), or they have to own that server and be paying for its huge bandwidth net connection. So... no, it doesn't belong to ALFA.

As to the module, in truth it belongs to those who created it. The builders. It belongs to the community if it is built by the community. ALFA is not an entity, it is a community. And, these modules are actually the domain of Obsidian. We use, and build with NWN2 via permission. So, ownership is a facade... a comfort zone belief. Who created it, when you get down to the core, is Obsidian.

But, to address your intent, those who created it, the builders and scripters, have true artistic ownership. The community of ALFA is gifted with their creative work, but to blatantly claim ownership, and then sideline the primary contributors?

What happened to your brother was an incident with one DMA who did exactly what you're proposing right now. The old rule is, if you create a weapon, understand that it may eventually fall into the hands other than your own. In other words, if you create a framework for authority, you need to also examine it from the potential abuse end. Reagan, then Bush Sr, then Clinton were all able to increase the authority of the executive branch. Unfortunately, they did not consider Bush Jr., and how such authorities and 'privileges' could be abused.
The DM's for that server (that belongs to ALFA) will be selected by the DMA. The DMA also selects the HDM.
Why? You just indicated you wanted people to be judged by their merits, not whim, and yet you put the judgment of DM and HDM under the 'whims' of the DMA. Any checks and balances?
The DM's work for ALFA, not an HDM.
They don't work... they volunteer to 'play' under the 'title' of DM. Dming is play. This project is 'play.' And, in the end, the DMs play with the 'intent' to provide entertainment for the players.

What you are inferring is a top-down approach to management, without regard to the player base... the grunts if you will. Your proposal will cause DMs to look at the DMA, rather than focusing on the players. And really, what is the purpose of having the DMA in 'command' of the DMs? Do you intend on telling them where they can DM, what they are going to build, how they are going to allocate their free time?

You see? This is a volunteer project, where people build what they 'want' to build, dm when they 'want' to, and play when they 'feel like it.' Your top-down management approach doesn't work "at all" in volunteer project of this nature.
HDM's may police their servers, and if they have an issue wityh a DM, they may bring it up with the DMA, who will have a dispute process like the PA dispute process but onl;y for DM's.
And, in the meantime, the DM still has access to the module. How can you possibly believe that you can sideline an HDM like this? Every single server, every single module, can go *poof* if the members of a group decide, "no, we're not going to take it anymore." Thangorn has presented just this pont. He leaves, his project leaves with him. Why, because it is HIS project. If, at some point, he wishes to donate it to ALFA, he may do so. But I recall very clearly the difficulties administration had in dictating to the HDMs, as they were in the building stages, of getting them to 'provide' a copy of their modules. Very few obliged. Their reasons were their own, but what can the administration do? Threaten to remove them? Counterproductive threats don't work.
My platform is on the rights of the DM. It is about ensuring that they can DM with as little red tape as possible. Cut the middle man out (the HDM).
At the onset, an HDM is a project leader... to build a mod. Later, in time, he may step down and allow someone else to continue the build or take over the management of a 'live' mod. They aren't some bureaucratic obstacle, they are the core of a mod.

You really gotta understand, the bureaucratic obstacles in ALFA have repeatedly presented themselves under the title of Admin. Now, we have a pretty good admin team this time, but many times in the past we have had admins that bogged the system down, caused immense drama, huge community splits.

The administration SHOULD be there to serve the HDMs, the DMs, and the Players, not to serve their agendas. The Administration needs to be the support team, not the dictating team. Administering in ALFA is working to provide the needs of the members, not the whims of the admins. Until you understand this fundamental concept, you will not be administrative material for this community, or any other volunteer community.

You see, each and every module, each and every server, is managed by 'community' members, not entity you refer to as ALFA. Those who host may or may not be the HDM, but rest assured, if you tick off a DM, you'll likely lose the host as well... and thus the module.

ALFA IS a confederacy. A conglomeration of people who volunteer their time, their resources, their money, to bring together a network of modules, hosted and maintained by individuals, with each individual standing right next to their stuff, full capable of walking.

A lot of people joke about my quitting so many times, but they failed to capture the message associated with this. And that is, each and every member can walk away, and just as easily take away their contributions in the process. Quitting is what has been happening in ALFA for well over 5 years. For whatever reason, volunteers in a community "choose" to stay or go... so the goal of admins is to ensure everyone
wants to stay.
If the DM has a bad rep, it will come out when the DMA does a background check. If he has had a good rep, and he turns out bad, let the HDM report the incident and put the DM through a dispute process to defend his/her rights. Players are allowed this process, why not DMs?
They do. That a DM opts instead to go all huffy, scream and yell, insult and attack, rather than file a dispute... is a problem with the DM's approach, not the system in place.
2. I hope to open DMA voting to all ALFA'ns so that all of ALFA may decide how they wish their DM's to be chosen and the supervised, instead of the select few HDM's and DM's that prefer their way of running things and refuse a change by the people by continuing their strangle hold on who they think should be the DMA: the one who caters to their best interest instead of all of ALFA's.
This has been debated plenty of times. The problem lies in ignorance. The player base, as a whole, is not knowledgeable about the performance of an incumbent DMA and is not knowledgeable about the qualifications of other candidates. The information presented in DMA platforms, as whole, goes right over the head of most of the players.

Popularity votes happen, of course, but what you are proposing is for the DMA candidates to attempt to garner the support of players, in addition to DMs. What you fail to see, is that with such an approach, players will need to be privy to all the 'dirt and muck' that goes on in the DM channels. And if such happens, suddenly DMs will gossip with players, meta information will run rampant, and child games will increase substantially.

So, ideas are always good, in theory. But, in practice... reality has a tendency to muck it all up.

In truth, DMA candidacy, debates, and voting should be mostly invisible to the player base. This notion of transparency has gone too far. There are, indeed, plenty of things that should 'remain' transparent, but there are plenty more that should not be.
3. The standards stuff needs to go to the LA as it is one of the single most important doctrines that holds ALFA together. The DMA should be subordinate to the standards lead, the LA, as the DMA supervises its implemenation with the DM corps, not how it is decided and created.
And now for the heartbreak. Most everything you presented has to deal 'NOT' with how you are going to perform your responsibilities, but how you intend on changing the ALFA charter. That's not your choice alone. If you are unable to present reasonable grounds for your proposed changes, they will be shot down.

And, more important, as i said, you have not indicated how you are going to perform your responsibilities as a DMA. Handing over your responsibilities to the LA and blissfully sidelining the HDMs is not what i would call ... performing your duties.

So... here's the questions Landcaster:
  • 1. What do you define as your responsibilities?

    2. How do you intend on performing each of these responsibilities?

    3. How will you frame your relationship with the HDMs, ADMs, PDMs and players?

    4. Have you ever worked with, or positively associated with, any of the other admins and do you think you will work well with them?

    5. What personal experience do you have that qualifies you to perform well in the role of DM Admin for this volunteer confederate project?

    6. Have you ever DMed in ALFA? And, if so, for how long?

    7. When you were banned, did you receive a strike?

    8. Considering the grossly inappropriate PMs you sent me in the past, and the spamming you committed in the TSM forums only a few weeks ago, how can you convince this community that you are 'stable' and 'respectful' enough to function as an admin?
And a note: Lancaster, it's not about popularity... it's about qualifications and character. Sometimes this community gets fooled, but most of the times they weigh the pros and cons, and choose the bad apple over the inedible flower. Nothing is simple, thus so is this community not simple. What you have presented so far is fear and, to quote a phrase from the Obama campaign, "more of the same" when it comes to showing disrespect and distrust for those who have contributed the most to this community.
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Interesting arguments presented there Whitey.. One thing I have to disagree with..
WW wrote:Thangorn has presented just this point. He leaves, his project leaves with him. Why, because it is HIS project.
Actually this is not the case. Mr Duncan has built almost as much of the current version of the mod as I have. Racerblue, Indio, Demson, Aurum have all contributed areas to the current module..

Its certainly not MY project, the module belongs to ALFA and ALFA can have it in its unformed state to use as the admin sees fit if I leave in protest of these poorly thought-out DMA policies.
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Bah, fine. A minor detail. We would still lose a fine project leader and a talented artist. And why? Because of yet one more push for a stronger administrative branch.

Really, the trend should go the other way. Far more to confederacy and far less to administrative dictation.


Bunch of control freaks, the lot of ya! :shotgun:
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Demson wrote:According to the charter, part of the HDM's responsibility is global plots and quests. Do you have a vision on this? Any experience? Any plans for an effort on this? How much effort would go to standards and the management of Dungeon Masters and how much would go to this?
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When HDM responsibilities for DM management and selection are given over to the DMA, then they willl have more time to concentrate on global plots and quests. I would strongly encourage this.
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White Warlock wrote:3. How will you frame your relationship with the HDMs, ADMs, PDMs and players?
4. Have you ever worked with, or positively associated with, any of the other admins and do you think you will work well with them?
5. What personal experience do you have that qualifies you to perform well in the role of DM Admin for this volunteer confederate project?
6. Have you ever DMed in ALFA? And, if so, for how long?
7. When you were banned, did you receive a strike?
3. Professionally.
4. No, I haven't worked with any of them.
5. I have no experience other than my RL experience in corporate management.
6. I have never DM'ed in ALFA.
7. I have no strikes of any kind against me.
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Thangorn wrote:
I believe that we can attract more former ALFA DM's to DM on both NWN1 and NWN2 servers by removing the strings that are stopping them.
If your policies get up, I am announcing right now that I will leave alfa until such time as you are removed. Thats 1 less DM/player/builder alfa will have.
I am sorry to hear that. I believe, however, the number of returning DM's and builders will offset your departure. I believe at least 30 - 40 DM's and builders will return once the infamous ALFA DM mistrust policies are removed and the standards are taken away from the DMA.

I will visit the boards of other PWs where many former ALFA DMs are residing and invite them to an open house showcase of TSM (running on a separate server from the live server) to have a meet and greet social and allow them to run practice DM sessions on our flagship TSM server which I feel is the best server in all the NWN2 PWs. Once they see the great craftsmanship and accuately relected canon, I believe they will be interested in returning to DMing, and building, once they realize that they can return with an easy PM to me with no hoops and hurdles.

Yes, it may seem like I will be attracting DMs away from other PWs: welcome to corporate politics. We have the best NWN2 server, we desrve the best of the NWN2 DMs and builders.

Most of the former DMAs had no true vision of what it means to treat an important asset like an ALFA DM. They defined no rights for DMs and they treated them with mistrust. The ALFA DM is our most important commodity. They are the lifeblood. As such, they will get the respect they deserve, including a fair system to allow them to return.
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LancasterX_2 wrote:Most of the former DMAs had no true vision of what it means to treat an important asset like an ALFA DM.
So you would treat them as subservient work units who answer only to you and build and DM what YOU define as important to the community? What an insult to the work that previous DMAs have put in and egotistical in the extreme to think you could do any better considering the level of understanding you have shown on DM/builder issues.
LancasterX_2 wrote:They defined no rights for DMs and they treated them with mistrust.
What about the right of DMs to build what has already been allowed under previous admin rulings?
LancasterX_2 wrote:The ALFA DM is our most important commodity. They are the lifeblood. As such, they will get the respect they deserve, including a fair system to allow them to return.
You say how important a commodity is while you shoot a bunch of DM/builders creativity in the foot with your so-called "Corporate" policies?

I'm just glad you've been such a troll in the past that few can take you seriously. Do you think people are really going to buy this snake-oil you are selling?
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LancasterX_2 wrote:
White Warlock wrote:3. How will you frame your relationship with the HDMs, ADMs, PDMs and players?
3. Professionally.
Hmm, you mean like how you addressed me in a PM while i was still DM of TSM (August 5th - 25 days ago) and a moderator for the TSM forums that you were spamming?
LancasterX_2 wrote:I remember your idiotic long winded useless posts from the Quake era and what a total hot air buffoon you are.

So, let me say again to your power mongering deaf ears, DO NOT PM ME.

UNDERSTAND MORON
And you guys wonder why I stopped dming here. :roll:
5. I have no experience other than my RL experience in corporate management.
What real life experience is this?
6. I have never DM'ed in ALFA.
By your behavior in the TSM forums just 25 days ago, I would say you have a very player-centric perspective of the game. I.e., "me me me." How then can you possibly understand what the needs of the DM-base is in ALFA if you have never DMed here?
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