GF's platform

[Nalo Jade]

I am all for trying different things Vendrin, as you are well aware. I agree it can't hurt to try something different...provided ample time is given to any given project before it is arbitrarily scraped or significantly altered.

Some of the current Admin already voiced their distaste for constantly "flip flopping", and I changed my mind and agreed with them. It makes sense, we need to make policy and enforce it until it reaches a steady keel, then if after 6 months or so it is found to do more harm than good, then visit the idea of change... not just because someone someone shouts...

"Help help, I'm being repressed!"

Though I understand how you feel, I felt like I was not being "heard" once upon a time, and you know what, I got told to STFU and deal with it. I was told to grow thicker skin, and be tougher... to not take the internets so seriously, are we not the pot calling the kettle black? I think someone earlier spoke of hypocrisy...

[indio]

This election is essentially acting as a referendum on moderation. With any luck we'll see the issue bedded down once the democratic majority have spoken.

[NickD]

This election is essentially acting as a referendum on moderation. With any luck we'll see the issue bedded down once the democratic majority have spoken.

You should know better than that! In ALFA all the issues refuse to go to bed.

[Veilan]

I don't know, making a PA election, that has SFA to do with moderation, a referendum on it seems more like some kind of fael to me .

We should consider the runner-offers on their merits for the position we're actually voting for, I'd think.

[Mikayla]

Veilan:

I don't know, making a PA election, that has SFA to do with moderation, a referendum on it seems more like some kind of fael to me .

We should consider the runner-offers on their merits for the position we're actually voting for, I'd think.

Well ... yeah, except that one of the "runner-offers" made this election (at least his part of it) all about moderation:

GF's first post in this thread:

My only policy is repealing the moderation.

So that pretty much makes this a referendum on moderation, as Indio said. Those that vote for GF are voting for repealing the moderation - thats what he stands for in his own words; thats his platform. He may not have the power to do it unilaterally, but thats his issue.

[Senor T]

In fairness, moderation is only one of the many policies at stake in this election. Many other decisions will need to be made by the PA, the most important of which is getting players, retaining players and overseeing the actual playing that goes on here. Making moderation the central focus of your platform is one thing, choosing to vote solely based on moderation is a completely different thing.

[Nalo Jade]

True but, moderartion being the only policy the canidate is running on, and that directly relating to member recruiting/retention...

That relationship does make it a big deal.

I am anxious to see what the majority thinks. Yes the issue may wake up in the future, but in that future I will either not be here or I will be here with a majority that won't tolerate a hostile community.

A year from now someone suggesting that moderation should be lessoned will likely be Self Moderated with a Self Moderated until they Self Moderated

See moderation can be fun too

[Swift]

GFs platform gets more appealing by the day as the promised tweaks and changes to the policy have yet to materialize.

[danielmn]

Yes, it gets more and more appealing by the day...because people are leaving more and more by the day that believe in moderation....

*watches Mik disappear*
*watches FI step away*
*watches Hailmar disappear*
*watches WW step out of the door*
*watches WV wonder weather he should follow suit*
*watches as players who've been awesome rpers loose interest and walk out the door*

*Watches as Game A disappears...leaving Game B to be played....cause that's what it's really all about...Game B.*

Now is the time for all of you successful Game B Players to ram this boat into the rocks and get it over with. Put the thing out of it's misery for your amusement...I can always find another PW.

[Magile]

Yes, it gets more and more appealing by the day...because people are leaving more and more by the day that believe in moderation....

Simply because they believe in moderation does not automatically link their departure to "ALFA Game B." Whitey, for example, can step up and do something about this "injustice" he sees, but instead does his typical trick of turning tail and leaving (possibly to troll for a few months) before trying to change ALFA again. Hialmar, from what I've heard, did not resign strictly due to "ALFA Game B," but another reason as well -- might want to poke around and see what's buzzing around about it. Can't say much about FI, ever since I returned she was going on about how she wouldn't be running again for PA, so I always figured her for "stepping away" no matter what was going on.

Now is the time for all of you successful Game B Players to ram this boat into the rocks and get it over with. Put the thing out of it's misery for your amusement...I can always find another PW.

To be honest, I don't think everyone and their mother threatening to "find another PW" or discussing finding another PW helps any morale whatsoever. If anything, it shows that no one's willing to even wait out for things to get fixed -- after all, if we assume you're correcting in a bunch of people leaving because of lack of moderation, that would suggest that supporters only are willing to "stick it out" for a month maximum before giving up all hope and turning tail. Seems rather lackluster and unappealing to me to begin with, to fight "hard" for something and then abandon ship because the new implementation is rough/has some disagreements.

"Game A" has been having applicants, a good amount by the sounds of it -- but when both the "Game B" players and the "Game A" players do things to shoo them away and treat them like second class citizens, it's the entire community to blame and not just a select few. I posted a couple pages back on how some people viewed new players and were in support of moderation, which just goes to show that supporting moderation doesn't mean you're automatically a saint, especially since they were part of the reason we lost a recent new player(s).

edit: Let's not forget the "Game A" folks rushing Cipher off too. Both sides are to blame for the apparent downfall of ALFA all you doom sayers keep preaching about.

[danielmn]

Meh, I didn't exactly connect peoples leaving directly to moderation...merely that a lot of people that beleive in moderation are leaving. So you are correct in that not all can be linked to Game B, I agree that moderation isn't the cause at all for most. So if those who wish non-moderation want to strike, now is an opportune moment. As for everyone and their mother...I had no idea..I am not on chat at all, and don't pay all that much attention to the forums. If my comment happens to be like others' comments...well..I think that that is definately something worth looking into, now, isn't it? Maybe...it has what we call....merit?? I don't know personally....

As for the new member lost, I spoke up for that member and never had a problem whatsoever with them. I for one was truly sorry to see everyone's reaction to such a minor detail...as I told a fellow player...sometimes we can truely be elite...in every bad *%!#ing sense of the word. A real shame that other players drove them and their freind away because they couldn't handle something extremely minor...especially when that persons rp was so good.

No idea about Cipher... and I for one am not doomsaying. Just wanting the loudmouths to grab a hold of the wheel and direct the ship awhile since a lot of our contributors are falling away. I wish them all of the luck in the world. ANd I suppose I am not the modle ALFA'n...never said I was nor did I ever fool myself into thinking I was. The last year has left my own being jaded...and I suppose my own feelings for this place has gone down the toilet. I myself find that both interesting and indicative. The APPARENT DOWNFALL occurs when less and less contribute, leaving the burden on fewer and fewer backs. From what I can see, we're doing a damn good job in making that happen...

*eyes the lack of OAS dms, eyes the lack of members on the tech team, eyes the lack of dms...and so on...and so on...*

But your probably right, both sides are to blame in the whole scape of it. Lucid arguement all around. Suppose I've just stopped caring who's fault it is and have retired my own opinion of the community in and of itself. And I know a lot of people who feel the same way...so I know it isn't just me....they just don't care about this adolescent power whatever.

I have to curse my own self for even checking these forums...

In short...we aren't building an atomic bomb. This isn't a forty year old marriage. THIS ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFICULT.

*bangs head against wall, then quickly dives back into the game, becoming one of the non-vocal majority again*

[Mulu]

as I told a fellow player...sometimes we can truely be elite...in every bad *%!#ing sense of the word.

Believe it or not it used to be a lot worse. I remember when I first joined any new player that said anything at all critical of the game would be told point blank by multiple old timers (many of whom are still here) to leave ALFA. I actually turned it into a game, quoting anyone who told another member to leave and then rewarding myself experience points for it. Doing that for a few weeks finally seemed to drive the point home, and it got better after that, but that's what it took to change the attitude or at least the behavior. It took ridiculing it. Sometimes troll behavior can be used for good.

As for RP, it isn't bad RP that ALFA attacks people for, it's anything different. Anything that doesn't comply with the peculiar and even sometimes bizarre playstyles that have evolved here over the years. Dare to use an animal companion in combat? You should be banned! Though the typing attacks are a new low I have to admit. At least I can't think of anything sillier than that.

Elitism is a form of immaturity, as is intolerance to other playstyles in general. Adolescent power struggles for control of a hobby community is a form of immaturity. Making a big fuss about quitting is a form of immaturity, whining about how others treat you is immature, treating others poorly is immature.... Guess all these gamers really are immature.

If ALFA *is* in demise, rather than just another cycle of creative destruction (and it's had many), well it has a lot of behavior to regret over the years. Reap what you sow and all that. But I think the girl still has life in her yet. I remain forever hopeful my underdog team will win.

[Kest]

Yes, it gets more and more appealing by the day...because people are leaving more and more by the day that believe in moderation....

Now is the time for all of you successful Game B Players to ram this boat into the rocks and get it over with. Put the thing out of it's misery for your amusement...I can always find another PW.

this post doesnt make a lot of sense, what with GF showing poorly in the poll

[ThinkTank]

[danielmn]

*Hands Kest a cigar*

You'll find a lot of what I type doesn't make sense, feel free to ignore.