Don't ask, Don't Tell, Don't keep this policy...

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:36 pm

Touché Rusty.

Edit: Should this be locked down? It ran out of lulz unless someone is willing to post something about american foreign policy, american policy, and/or religion, and/or lack thereof.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:45 pm

I wonder what would happen if you did a poll in US prisons to find out what religion the inmates are.

Accordign to Vaelahr theory, the majority would be atheist, since shucks, without belief in god whats to stop you from being evil?

I would put money on the majority of folk in prison *not* claiming to be atheist, but it would be interesting to find out...

mxlm · Post by **mxlm** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:48 pm

The gangstas--at least in some areas--have a Sunday (morning) truce, FWIW.

Grand Fromage · Post by **Grand Fromage** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:51 pm

Mayhem wrote:I wonder what would happen if you did a poll in US prisons to find out what religion the inmates are.

That study's been done, actually. The rate of Christian inmates is about the same as the general population, about 85%. Non-religious are vastly underrepresented, accounting for 10% of the general population but only 0.2% of the prison population.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:59 pm

Mayhem wrote:I wonder what would happen if you did a poll in US prisons to find out what religion the inmates are.

Accordign to Vaelahr theory, the majority would be atheist, since shucks, without belief in god whats to stop you from being evil?

I would put money on the majority of folk in prison *not* claiming to be atheist, but it would be interesting to find out...

Probably muslims, christians, and Athei"A member of my family was a religious psychopath

butthert"ism. considering they're the world's most popular idealogies.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:05 pm

Oh come on, everybody knows Jesus is in prison. That's where people keep finding him anyway....

How nutjob do you have to be to think Nazi's were atheists anyway? Granted Hitler's version of Christianity was a bit off from traditional sects, but then again so were Martin Luther and Joseph Smith in their day. Criticizing the Catholic Church hardly makes Hitler an atheist. It makes him a Protestant. Other Nazis were Volkist, but Volkism (or whatever it's properly called) absolutely rejects atheism.

wiki wrote:On taking power, Hitler banned freethought organizations and launched an “anti-godless” movement. In a 1933 speech he declared: “We have . . . undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”

I'll grant you Hitler was against traditional organized Christianity, but only because he wanted absolute power. The church was technically a competitor for the hearts and minds of the German people.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:05 pm

mxlm wrote:The gangstas--at least in some areas--have a Sunday (morning) truce, FWIW.

I hurd this leik storry of some soldiers, back in one of them world wars they were singing on christmas and stopped killing each other for at least a day.

Hurrah!

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:07 pm

Mulu wrote:Oh come on, everybody knows Jesus is in prison. That's where people keep finding him anyway....

How nutjob do you have to be to think Nazi's were atheists anyway? Granted Hitler's version of Christianity was a bit off from traditional sects, but then again so were Martin Luther and Joseph Smith in their day. Criticizing the Catholic Church hardly makes Hitler an atheist. It makes him a Protestant. Other Nazis were Volkist, but Volkism (or whatever it's properly called) absolutely rejects atheism.
wiki wrote:On taking power, Hitler banned freethought organizations and launched an “anti-godless” movement. In a 1933 speech he declared: “We have . . . undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
I'll grant you Hitler was against traditional organized Christianity, but only because he wanted absolute power. The church was technically a competitor for the hearts and minds of the German people.

So, more or less, he was a secular leader using religion as an excuse. (In moar ways than one LOL)

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:12 pm

Secular? Mostly, I suppose, in action anyway, to the extent he emphasized Nationalism over faith in god or a religion. Though he did basically try to create his own version of Christianity, after all. That's hardly atheist. Had he won, I'm sure there would be a Nazi Church of Christ.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:15 pm

Grand Fromage wrote:
Mayhem wrote:I wonder what would happen if you did a poll in US prisons to find out what religion the inmates are.
That study's been done, actually. The rate of Christian inmates is about the same as the general population, about 85%. Non-religious are vastly underrepresented, accounting for 10% of the general population but only 0.2% of the prison population.

So whenever anyone drags out the hoary old "without god, whats to stop people being evil" argument, you can ask them why the "god-fearing" outnumber the godless so much in a population that has, by definition, broken at least one of the 10 commandments.

***

Though frankly, if you are only being good because you are afraid of being punished by the invisible sky-wizard, you are not really a good person, are you.

Vaelahr · Post by **Vaelahr** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:15 pm

Mayhem wrote:Accordign to Vaelahr theory, the majority would be atheist, since shucks, without belief in god whats to stop you from being evil?

I never said that sir.

Grand Fromage · Post by **Grand Fromage** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:17 pm

Mayhem wrote:Though frankly, if you are only being good because you are afraid of being punished by the invisible sky-wizard, you are not really a good person, are you.

Yep. Good behavior through fear is not morality.

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:20 pm

Mulu wrote:Secular? Mostly, I suppose, in action anyway, to the extent he emphasized Nationalism over faith in god or a religion. Though he did basically try to create his own version of Christianity, after all. That's hardly atheist. Had he won, I'm sure there would be a Nazi Church of Christ.

L. Ron Hubbard succeeded wharu Hitlar failed

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:23 pm

Grand Fromage wrote:
Mayhem wrote:Though frankly, if you are only being good because you are afraid of being punished by the invisible sky-wizard, you are not really a good person, are you.
Yep. Good behavior through fear is not morality.

God helps those who help themselves

plus, average christians don't live in fear of punishment, unless they're the crazy ones. (sic)

HATEFACE · Post by **HATEFACE** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:31 pm

Mulu wrote:Oh come on, everybody knows Jesus is in prison. That's where people keep finding him anyway....

How nutjob do you have to be to think Nazi's were atheists anyway? Granted Hitler's version of Christianity was a bit off from traditional sects, but then again so were Martin Luther and Joseph Smith in their day. Criticizing the Catholic Church hardly makes Hitler an atheist. It makes him a Protestant. Other Nazis were Volkist, but Volkism (or whatever it's properly called) absolutely rejects atheism.
wiki wrote:On taking power, Hitler banned freethought organizations and launched an “anti-godless” movement. In a 1933 speech he declared: “We have . . . undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
I'll grant you Hitler was against traditional organized Christianity, but only because he wanted absolute power. The church was technically a competitor for the hearts and minds of the German people.

Seriously, this isn't to up my post count at all. But I work with a couple of christians. They scare me. I live in daily fear of the antics they might pull. I can't hold down a job or practice good hygene. They're becoming a serious problem. What we need to do is commit them all because of how insane they are. Me, I'm not insane! No sir!!! NO SIRR!!! What does this have to do with your post? Nothing but it's not to raise my post count at all.