Planetouched DM vote result

ç i p h é r · Post by **ç i p h é r** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:03 pm

Well the only trouble with this decision is that it's a BLANKET ruling. No plane touched races in ALFA. End of story. Not for the casual gamer. Not for the campaign gamer. Sorry.

If this were a pizza, we wouldn't be ordering any because we just couldn't agree on the toppings.

JaydeMoon · Post by **JaydeMoon** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:10 pm

No, if this were a pizza we'd be ordering one without the CHEEZ!!!

I keed.

To take your pizza analogy, what we actually decided is to go ahead and order one without olives and anchovies. We're still gonna have ALFA, we're just not including a few of the more exotic toppings.

Because even though those who don't like the toppings can pick them out or even quarantine the unwanted toppings to just one half of the pizza... well, it's still been contaminated!

That anchovy oil is still on my piece! Yuch.

AcadiusLost · Post by **AcadiusLost** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:24 pm

The anchovies-pizza analogy is a useful one, as it captures the situation somewhat as I understand it- even if they were to pick them off the pizza, or choose a slice without them, the smell of the anchovies being on the rest of the pizza was enough to make about half of our voting DMs loose their appetite, so to speak.

We've got some time before Live rolls around- I doubt many will be passing ALFA by on the sole basis of any decision not to include planetouched PCs. If someone wants to try to break down the details of the DM sentiment with regard to planetouched PCs, and see how much of that is addressable, there is likely some room for that. In the meantime, what we have is a clear sign that planetouched PCs are a serious concern for a significant "slice" of our active engaged DM/builder contingent for NWN2.

Which, I think, was what we were trying to determine with the poll.

Rotku · Post by **Rotku** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:27 pm

Never much liked olives or anchovies with pizza. Fish on pizza is just a silly idea. Olives I can understand, but they don't taste nice. So there.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:30 pm

And, like the old Dead Horses thread said, if you want to play Planetouched - become a DM.

Er, and I guess, if you want to play an anchovy, ditto.

JaydeMoon · Post by **JaydeMoon** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:31 pm

I r teh tiefling:

Gimme joor pizza!

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:02 am

Meh, give it six months and we'll be here again. After all, they used to be "in."

Marklos · Post by **Marklos** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:59 am

I'm going to have to disagree with Mikayla here in implying that ALFA is/has been "leading edge". In my opinion, ALFA has never been leading edge.

ALFA caters specifically to a niche crowd.

If we wanted leading edge, we'd be like CoA or other ones that offer more options to a broader audience, as well as good RP. Not GREAT RP, but good.

We all have to make sacrifices. I voted no because of how much source material includes them in their breakdowns? There is far more source material for Drow, Duergar and Svirfneblin and how the other races feel about them. I feel what we need is consistency and solid information on them before allowing players access to them. Perhaps that will come soon. Perhaps not at all.

Me, personally, don't feel inclined to learn about them or how they will fit in to the areas I build. Heck, I didn't even know what they were until NWN2 came out. Besides, I already have enough on my plate without worrying about NPC reactions to them. Though, in my eyes, they would be treated more like demons than Drow because of their unfamiliarity.

It's not that I won't learn, or that I won't change my mind, because who knows, I might. Right now, based upon the provided information, I voted the way I did.

Don't get me wrong either. I love the playerbase, otherwise I would not have spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours building in the toolset, a majority of the time by myself.

Mikayla · Post by **Mikayla** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:09 am

One can be leading edge AND appeal only to a niche market - those two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, by being on the leading edge, a niche market concern (like ours) overcomes a bit of its "niche"ness because of its additional leading edge appeal.

As for the rest of your opinion, no problem, everybody is entitled to an opinion.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:35 am

Mikayla wrote:I think it is a short-sighted and ultimately self-destructive decision based on as-yet unproven fears about how much work would be involved.

You are surprised by this?

Fear-mongering to sway peoples opinions and making short sighted decisions is almost an ALFA hallmark.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:01 am

Swift wrote:
Fear-mongering to sway peoples opinions and making short sighted decisions is almost an ALFA hallmark.

I's very insulting to the majority of our NWN2 DMs to suggest they are too weak-minded to make their own considered decisions.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:07 am

Mayhem wrote:
Swift wrote:
Fear-mongering to sway peoples opinions and making short sighted decisions is almost an ALFA hallmark.
I's very insulting to the majority of our NWN2 DMs to suggest they are too weak-minded to make their own considered decisions.

Perhaps i should have said 'to attempt to sway peoples opinions'. The fact that for almost every major change proposed to DMs and players alike, fear mongering and focusing on the negatives makes up quite a large amount of the discussion.

Rick7475 · Post by **Rick7475** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:09 am

Marklos wrote:I'm going to have to disagree with Mikayla here in implying that ALFA is/has been "leading edge". In my opinion, ALFA has never been leading edge.

I think, when you see TSF go live, your opinion will change.

Rick7475 · Post by **Rick7475** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:11 am

Marklos wrote:I'm going to have to disagree with Mikayla here in implying that ALFA is/has been "leading edge". In my opinion, ALFA has never been leading edge.

When you see TSF go live, your opinion will change

Rotku · Post by **Rotku** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:14 am

Mayhem wrote:
Swift wrote:
Fear-mongering to sway peoples opinions and making short sighted decisions is almost an ALFA hallmark.
I's very insulting to the majority of our NWN2 DMs to suggest they are too weak-minded to make their own considered decisions.

Taken out of context, that comment isn't completely false