Faith Healing

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Faith Healing

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There's been a few adverts about some guy called Benny Hinn coming to my city soon to preach the word or God or something at some stadium down the road from where I live, so I looked him up on the internets just out of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Hinn

Apparently other Christians aren't overly fond of him

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/heretic.html
Heavyweight boxer Evander Holyfield, banned from boxing because of a heart condition, went to a Benny Hinn crusade in Philadelphia, had Hinn lay hands on him, and gave Hinn a check for $265,000 after he was told he was healed. In fact, he passed his next examination by the boxing commission, but later his doctors said he never had a heart condition in the first place. He had been misdiagnosed.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
A Houston woman who thought she was cured of lung cancer ("It will never come back!" Hinn told her) rejected her doctors' advice and care—and died two months later.
Tragic, for sure, but tragically stupid of the woman.
And one thing Hinn says in his defense—when confronted with evidence that someone claimed to be healed and then died—is that, "The reason people lose their healing is because they begin questioning if God really did it." If you're not healed—or, worse yet, if your sick child is not healed—it's your fault for not having enough faith.
And Americans act shocked when I tell them I'm an athiest...
But there's an even darker side to Hinn and his organization. In 1998, two members of his inner circle died of heroin overdoses. In 1999, after one of his many vows of reform, he fired several board members and hired an ex-cop named Mario C. Licciardello to do an internal investigation of his ministry. Licciardello was the brother of Carman, who is sort of the Engelbert Humperdinck of Christian singers, so many think Hinn considered him "safe." But Licciardello did such a good job—taking hundreds of depositions and getting to the bottom of the heroin use—that Hinn then sued him. While Licciardello was still his head of security, the ministry filed a lawsuit demanding that all his files be turned over and sealed, because their public release could result in the end of the ministry. Licciardello was a police investigator with 25 years of experience, and he felt like his whole career was being smeared, so he fought back with his own lawyers. His counsel continually tried to take Hinn's deposition, but Hinn fought him at every step. The judge, however, ruled against him and said that, if Hinn intended to enjoin Licciardello, he would have to make himself available for questioning.

On the very day that Hinn was supposed to give his deposition in the case, Licciardello had a heart attack and died. The Hinn organization made an out-of-court settlement with Licciardello's widow, which included sealing the court papers
God works in mysterious ways! :shock:



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You whacky Christians! :lol:

(Just felt like sharing that with you)
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Religion is full of mad people?

whoa.
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My favorite one of these was famously debunked by my hero, James Randi. When you went into the stadium you'd fill out a card with details about you--name, address, etc--and what condition you wanted jebus to cure. The charlatan would then go around and pick people out of the audience by name, tell them details about their lives, and what the medical issue was, as if jebus were telling him.

So Randi and his crew went and brought a radio scanner, and recorded the guy's wife reading off the cards, transmitted to the receiver in her shitheel husband's ear. They then put this on TV and he laid low for a while.

The part that really tells you all you need to know about these people: he's still working the same scam and making millions, even though Randi put out absolutely rock-solid evidence of how he was scamming them.
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ThinkTank wrote:Religion is full of mad people?

whoa.
I suspect it's less madness and more greed being fed by desperation and naivity.
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People have always been desperate not to die. Somehow I doubt theres a cure.
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...wait, you mean I can't become a lich and live forever?

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I would bet on making a clone for yourself, but then, it is science, so..
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Start your own religion
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There is just as many dumb people who don't believe in God as there are who do.
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ElCadaver wrote:There is just as many dumb people who don't believe in God as there are who do.
Well that is not true. By percentage maybe but even that is unlikely.

How many are religious sheep in this world? 50%? 70%? 90%? I am guessing between 70 and 90 percent. If this is true there are WAY more dumb people who are religious that are not. Easy maths.

If we are doing per capita dumbness it would get trickier but as in many cultures it is the only thing or mainstream thing to be religious I would guess that non-believers put more thought, on the average, than the follow-the-rest-of-the-sheep religious person. Thus my conclusion, based on this theory, is that religious people are less clever than the atheists.
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Well i will bite and take the opposite side of the argument. With your theory there should be more atheist inventors than religous per capita. So just how many big atheist inventors are there? Since they are more clever how many make it into high political offices or corporations?(*grins* since i am atheist and clever i win either way this argument goes)
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I do not think we can know how big a percentage of the inventors, politicians or executives are atheist. However, there is bound to be great minds on both sides here and I am not saying that being religious means you are stupid. I am merely advocating that atheist put more thought into their decision, as in many/most societies being religious is the norm. The reverse would be true in a society where religion would not be the norm.

Then there is another factor that makes religious people less likely to be intelligent on the average. The fact that science is not accepted and religious myths are flaunted as if they were scientific theories prove to me that religion clouds your judgement and your ability to think. I have no problem with people believing in the creation of the world in 7 days or people who believe that there is no history beyond 3000 b.c., as long as they do not try and sell it as science in society. That is just bs. It has nothing to do with science, it is all tied down to faith.

DISCLAIMER: This talk about average intelligence is made half-jokingly mind you. Do not take that too seriously (but the part about Creationism is really bugging me though)
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Re: Religion

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ElCadaver wrote:There is just as many dumb people who don't believe in God as there are who do.
I do think religion tends to hold on to people who are not prone to question things. While I'm not going to say only stupid people are religious, because I know that is most certainly not true, I think athiesm tends to be filled with people who are more likely to have questioned and analysed religion. I don't think blind following of faith and anyone perceived to be "closer to God" is the same as being dumb, but I would think that there are certainly some people out there who would think so.
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