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Amnesty attacks US over abuses

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:34 am
by Rotku
Amnesty International launched a scathing attack on the United States today, accusing it of trampling on human rights, and using the world as “a giant battlefield” in its War on Terror.

The criticism came in Amnesty's 2007 worldwide report, in which the human rights watchdog complained of a return to the geopolitical polarisation of the Cold War era and said that the global agenda was being largely driven by fear.

"Human rights - those global values, universal principles and common standards that are meant to unite us - are being bartered away in the name of security," wrote Irene Khan, Amnesty's secretary-general, in a foreword to the report.

"Like the Cold War times, the agenda is being driven by fear - instigated, encouraged and sustained by unpincipled leaders."

Amnesty said that President Bush had invoked the fear of terrorism to bolster his executive power after the attacks of September 11, 2001, "without Congressional oversight or judicial scrutiny".

But he was not alone - John Howard, the Australian Prime Minister, was accused of portraying asylum-seekers as a threat to national security to help secure his re-election. The Sudanese President, Omar al-Bashir, "whipped up fear among his supporters and in the Arab world that the deployment of UN peacekeepers in Darfur would be a pretext for an Iraq-style, US-led invasion".

"Meanwhile," it added, "his armed forces and militia allies continued to kill rape and plunder with impunity."

The report, focusing on the events of 2006, was highly critical of China, for its repression of dissent and religious freedom and for its widespread use of the death penalty. Russia was criticised for its crackdown on journalists, its failure to tackle racism and discrimination and for grave violations in Chechnya, where "impunity remained the norm for those who committed human rights abuses".

But it was Amnesty's criticisms of the United States - far stronger than those levelled against any other major Western democracy - which will grab most attention.

"Unfettered discretionary executive power is being purused relentlessly by the US administration, which treats the world as one big battlefield for its 'war on terror': kidnapping, arresting, detaining or torturing suspects either directly or with the help of countries as far apart as Pakistan and Gambia, Afghanistan and Jordan," Ms Khan said.

"In September 2006, President Bush finally admitted what Amnesty International has long known - that the CIA had been running secret detention centres in circumstances that amount to international crimes," she added.

Amnesty said that international investigations had shown that hundreds of people had been unlawfully transferred by the US and its allies to countries such as Syria, Jordan and Egypt - out of the reach of legal protection.

"The US administration's double-speak has been breathtakingly shameless. It has condemned Syria as part of the 'axis of evil', yet it has transferred a Canadia national, Maher Arar, to the Syrian security forces to be interrogated, knowing full well that he risked being tortured."

Yet Washington remains deaf to international pleas to shut down its remote military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many of those subjected to 'extraordinary rendition' have ended up, held without charge or trial, virtually incommunicado.

Ms Khan also lambasted the "misguided military adventure in Iraq", where human rights standards had fallen by the wayside.

“The Iraqi police forces, heavily infiltrated by sectarian militia, are feeding violations rather than restraining them," she wrote. “The Iraqi justice system is woefully inadequate, as former president Saddam Hussein’s flawed trial and grotesque execution confirmed."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 829644.ece

And the Report itself, if anyone is interested.

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:39 am
by paazin
Bah, Amnesty International is nothing but a bunch of bleeding-heart liberals causing trouble. Look at who they also criticize; upstanding countries that just happen to be friends and allies of the US, such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:11 pm
by Stormseeker
Got to break some eggs if you want a omlet.

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:42 pm
by AcadiusLost
But... I could have sworn I orded the cobb salad.

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:30 pm
by Mulu
Given that most of the fatalities in Iraq are of children, I'm definitely passing on the omlette of children's brains.

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:34 pm
by NickD
AcadiusLost wrote:But... I could have sworn I orded the cobb salad.
WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM?!?!? :cry: :borg:

Stormseeker wrote:Got to break some eggs if you want a omlet.
YOUR OMLETTE IS MADE WITH ROTTEN EGGS AND HAS BITS OF BROKEN SHELL IN IT AND TASTES VERY BAD! I DON'T WANT YOUR OMLETTE!

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:35 am
by Nekulor
I don't put any stock in the opinion of an organization who believes America is worse for human rights than Iran and North Korea, two totalitarian dictatorships. Amnesty is just an organization of crazy, borderless liberals with angst issues against the US. Frankly, they can kiss my red, white and blue American ass, and then die in a hole. We need to take groups like AI and the ACLU somewhere where they can't do damage to society. Anyone who thinks terrorists and murderers should have rights is simply not in their right mind. If you kill innocents as a terrorist, you should lose all of your rights.

For all I care, they can take them out in the desert and torture them until they die. I care nothing for the rights of murderous bastards hiding under the guise of religion. The less of them we have in the world, the better off we all are.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:47 am
by Lusipher
well said. My sentiments exactly.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:23 am
by Swift
That doesn't change the fact that America, along with many western countries, abuse human rights when it is politically fit to do so. You cannot deny America has grossly violated human rights since the war on terror began (Gitmo, Abu'ghraib etc). This doesn't excuse any other country, but to pass off America's human rights abuses because "Iran and Korea are worse" is totally ignorant and hypocritical.
For all I care, they can take them out in the desert and torture them until they die. I care nothing for the rights of murderous bastards hiding under the guise of religion. The less of them we have in the world, the better off we all are.
Yet if another country did to you or any American citizen what America has done to many inmates at Gitmo, you would be seething with anger and shouting for blood and calling for your presidents head for allowing it to happen. If the inmates at Gitmo are the terrors they are purported to be, why have many of them still not been charged with any crime?

If Iran captured a Christian Civilian/Military man, proclaimed him to the world to be a fighter against their sovereign nation and against peace/freedom, held him for 5 years without charge and then took him out into the desert and tortured him to death, would you still feel the same?

You have my sympathies if you honestly believe either situation is acceptable.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:38 am
by NickD
Nekulor wrote:If you kill innocents as a terrorist, you should lose all of your rights.
:lol: So it's wrong for terrorists to murder innocent people, but it's not so bad when the American military does it. Significantly more so than the "terrorists" at that.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:07 am
by sgould72
It never ceases to amaze me how many people can grow up in America, claim to love America, yet have no flipping clue what America stands for or what it is to be an American. The "torture them to death and throw them in a hole" crowd would have the country turned into another '30s-40's era Germany if they had their way.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:07 am
by Rotku
Nekulor wrote:I don't put any stock in the opinion of an organization who believes America is worse for human rights than Iran and North Korea, two totalitarian dictatorships.
Someone obviously didn't even take a look at the report. Just looking over their summary video, the first two countries they mention are Zimbabwe and Russia. It's not 'til right at the end do they breifly touch on Gitmo and other such camps.

You can certainly argue against their opinion, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But facts are a different matter. Turning a blind eye to facts is foolish - undemocratic, if you like.

Take a look at this page, and point out to me these libral* lies. It is a very scathing report, but I am looking forward to seeing where these mistakes are.

And just for the records, the only reason I am singling out the US here, over other states, is that I believe 99% of people here will happily admit that the likes of Russia and Zimbabwe have gone against common human rights.

* I've never understood how a country who waves the flag of democracy can even think about using a term like libral as in insult. It seems so twisted. Just a pet peeve of mine.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:15 am
by paazin
Rotku wrote: I've never understood how a country who waves the flag of democracy can even think about using a term like libral as in insult. It seems so twisted. Just a pet peeve of mine.
:dumb:


Welcome to America - the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:43 pm
by Veilan
Swift wrote:This doesn't excuse any other country
Wait, next you're telling me Stalin killing more people than Hitler doesn't make Hitler a saint...?

What outrageous idea. After all, Russia is not trampling democracy, gunning down journalists or using extortion as energy supply policy currently simply because Putin can point out that Germany bans protestors from being too close to the G8-summit in Heiligendamm.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:18 pm
by Mulu
Nekulor wrote:I don't put any stock in the opinion of an organization who believes America is worse for human rights than Iran and North Korea, two totalitarian dictatorships.
What makes you think they do? Others have pointed out why they don't, but you must have a reason for your opinion. I'm curious as to what it is. Since Dan shares your sentiment, I suppose he could answer as well. Perhaps it was just a straw man.

America was founded on principles of Liberal Democracy. All of those ideas from the Enlightenment like "a nation of laws, not men" and "liberty and justice for all" have been trampled by small-minded, mean-spirited right wingers who would use patriotism to justify their own sadistic desires. America has many voices, but only a few founding concepts. Opinions that run contrary to those concepts of freedom and liberal democracy are technically unAmerican. In fact, opinions that consider torture and oppression in the pursuit of national interests to be valid policies... are best described as totalitarian.

I have a hypothesis that Stanley Milgram's old experiment repeated, and with the Right Wing Authoritarian scale administered, would show that it is the RWA's who throw the electric shocks all the way to fatal. In fact I'd be willing to put good money on it.

Of course, this whole war on terror is just a distraction for the real business of getting richer. Holy oil shares batman!