Just remember

Nekulor · Post by **Nekulor** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:53 am

They have become the air america of TV.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:56 pm

You guys have all the insightfulness of the beer swiller at the end of the bar. Try posting something of substance.

Burt · Post by **Burt** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:14 pm

No one cares about US politics except you guys, because ultimately we all know that whomever wins, we end up with a bunch of morons running the world for the next 4 years. Democracy is a ruse.

fluffmonster · Post by **fluffmonster** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:53 pm

Obermann is clearly partisan, but he's so much more witty than ORiley its not even a decent contest. Anybody can run their mouth, but it takes something more to do it with style.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:58 pm

yeah fluff he learned to be a smart ass at ESPN.

You guys have all the insightfulness of the beer swiller at the end of the bar. Try posting something of substance

And you think your tripe is insightful? Please...

Take your own advice to Kalbar and just go away

Nekulor · Post by **Nekulor** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:59 pm

He may have style, but he doesn't have anything to say that liberal mouthpieces haven't been spouting for 6 months. I'll give O'Reilly credit, at least he forms his own opinions and doesn't echo the party on every issue. He was, for example, for a good amount of the illegal immigration legislation that was recently up for vote. I wasn't myself, because we can deal with the problem either through laws currently on the books or an executive order dealing with reworking the border security measures, but he departed from the general party consensus.

I don't care what you think, as long as you think, and don't just echo what someone told you.

Rotku · Post by **Rotku** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:04 pm

Okay, one last warning. I don't want to see any more personal remarks.

Veilan · Post by **Veilan** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:22 pm

Rotku wrote:Okay, one last warning. I don't want to see any more personal remarks.

...you have pretty hair?

Killthorne · Post by **Killthorne** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:48 am

This world is run by the aggressive use of force. Get used to it.

Ok.. I know I am back-peddling here but oh my...

Yes, get used to it folks. Not that humanity will ever change mind you. That's the way humans are. Spiritually lost, soulless individuals that need to control everything. And yet, can't even credit something greater than their own findings, the possibility that there's something more than chance or accident... well.. you get the picture.

I think I am going to burn bridges here by saying this.. but people like Zakharra scare me. And it's only because they are ungrateful, ignorant warmongering assholes. If their lives were in jeopardy everyday, and conflict all around, I think they would paint a different picture. It's easy when you live in the middle of nowhere without so much as a stray bullet passing by, to be completely desensitized to the truth of things.

Here. Here's a pair of Iraqi shoes to put on. Once you wear them, then tell us exactly what the deal is. Until then, shut the hell up, you insensitive pricks.

~Killthorne~

Mord · Post by **Mord** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:49 am

Zakharra · Post by **Zakharra** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:53 pm

Killthorne wrote:
This world is run by the aggressive use of force. Get used to it.
Ok.. I know I am back-peddling here but oh my...

Yes, get used to it folks. Not that humanity will ever change mind you. That's the way humans are. Spiritually lost, soulless individuals that need to control everything. And yet, can't even credit something greater than their own findings, the possibility that there's something more than chance or accident... well.. you get the picture.

I think I am going to burn bridges here by saying this.. but people like Zakharra scare me. And it's only because they are ungrateful, ignorant warmongering assholes. If their lives were in jeopardy everyday, and conflict all around, I think they would paint a different picture. It's easy when you live in the middle of nowhere without so much as a stray bullet passing by, to be completely desensitized to the truth of things.

Here. Here's a pair of Iraqi shoes to put on. Once you wear them, then tell us exactly what the deal is. Until then, shut the hell up, you insensitive pricks.

~Killthorne~

The somewhat personal attack aside, Killthorne, I stand by what I said. It IS run by the aggressive use of force. Al-Qida(sp), Iran, millitant Islamists and Russia know that very well. Force works. It is not always the best method, and often makes things worse. But the use of force, or threat there of does motivate people.

What's happening in Iraq is a prime example. Al Qida and the insurgents and those stirring up trouble there are trying, thru the use of force to change things to the path they want. They blow up and murder their own people and innocent civilians more than the Coalition forces that are their 'official' targets. By attacking their own, they are using force to make people do what they want to. The threat of being murdered just because you disagree with what they say/want, is having an effect, because people are simple scared to not stand up. Those that do run the very real risk of being killed, their families put under threat and those around them.

The bold outlined part is unwarrented, Kill. I am not insensitive, nor a p*#@k, nor any of the other things listed there. I am realistic in awknowledging that there are forces in this world that moves it. Money(greed) and the use of force. Or do you think the Iraqi citizens like living under the threat of sudden death everyday? So please refrain from getting too personal in labelling someone. It can be a very rude thing to do.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:19 pm

Meanwhile, back in DC...

The White House report showed Baghdad improving in only one of the 18 benchmark categories - allowing members of Saddam Hussein's former ruling Ba'athist Party back into the Iraqi government.

Even the spin doctors couldn't make Iraq look good. Though after four years of warmongering destruction, they have finally learned to talk and even attempt to reconcile with their formerly denounced enemies.

Former Ba'athists, of course, are hardly the only former enemies now being cultivated as friends in Iraq. The U.S. is now cooperating with many one-time Sunni insurgents, whom Rumsfeld famously denounced as "dead-enders," and there's a growing working relationship between the U.S. military and the Shi'ite forces commanded by Moqtada al-Sadr, whose Mahdi army is the most notorious of the Shi'ite militias. It's all part of a gradual redefining of what the Administration really means by success in Iraq.

If you can't beat em, join em.

ç i p h é r · Post by **ç i p h é r** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:24 pm

Mulu wrote:If you can't beat em, join em.

Better known as reconciliation. There simply cannot be a political solution w/o cooperation. Remember, if we're working with THEM then they are working with US, which is a lot better than shooting at us. Cooperation is a two way street.

But none of that really matters does it? You - like most Democrats - are vested in a failed Iraq, not a successful one. The idiocy of that position is so far beyond the realm of reason that it's pointless to point out the hazards of it.

mxlm · Post by **mxlm** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:47 pm

Better known as reconciliation. There simply cannot be a political solution w/o cooperation. Remember, if we're working with THEM then they are working with US, which is a lot better than shooting at us. Cooperation is a two way street.

How very reasonable.

If only such thinking were applied to Iran.

Nekulor · Post by **Nekulor** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:34 pm

mxlm wrote:
Better known as reconciliation. There simply cannot be a political solution w/o cooperation. Remember, if we're working with THEM then they are working with US, which is a lot better than shooting at us. Cooperation is a two way street.
How very reasonable.

If only such thinking were applied to Iran.

I suggest we avoid armed conflict with Iran, because I think it would be a nuclear conflict. However, if diplomacy fails, that could be an option if things get ugly.