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I wouldn't say that's a credible assertion. The early Christians had nothing to gain by creating some new religion crafted from cultic legend - only persecution. The Roman cults of Dionysus and Isis shared an element of resurrection from death and that's the only shred of similarity. Another Roman cult worth mentioning would be that of Mithras, a contemporary religion that had converts to and from early Christianity. In fact, the birth date of Christ wasn't observed early on until Constantine created Christmas using the pagan holiday of Mithras's birth, December 25.
The parallels between Biblical stories and earlier mythology are well established, and present in both the Old and New Testaments (there's a reason Genesis has two effing creation stories, and sycretism--or plagarism--is it).
Killy, if you really want to learn about evolution, take biology classes at college, instead of reading the specious works of Seventh Day Adventists who are afraid to spice their food. Just be sure not to disrupt the class for others.
That's not really a useful suggestion. Books would be better. :P

OTOH, it's not as though Killy couldn't go find some solid Bio texts on his own.
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NickD wrote:I may have made some of that up as I went along.
You are becoming an accomplished religious writer, I see.
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When I was in high school I started writing a secular bible, complete with secular parables. When I was about a third finished with it, I got bored and gave up. A few years later I discovered that Isaac Asimov had the same idea. I'm sure he did a much better job. It would be a good primer for those lacking an education on the subject of science. Easy to read, though admittedly a bit out of date now.

The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins is probably one of the most accessible books on evolution, for those who don't want to take a class. Bumbling around Amazon, I found an interesting reading list for those tempted to explore rationality.
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mxlm wrote:
I wouldn't say that's a credible assertion. The early Christians had nothing to gain by creating some new religion crafted from cultic legend - only persecution. The Roman cults of Dionysus and Isis shared an element of resurrection from death and that's the only shred of similarity. Another Roman cult worth mentioning would be that of Mithras, a contemporary religion that had converts to and from early Christianity. In fact, the birth date of Christ wasn't observed early on until Constantine created Christmas using the pagan holiday of Mithras's birth, December 25.
The parallels between Biblical stories and earlier mythology are well established, and present in both the Old and New Testaments (there's a reason Genesis has two effing creation stories, and sycretism--or plagarism--is it).
There's no evidence of any plagiarism with the creation accounts in Genesis. There are indeed two accounts, that could be seen as a scope change in the narrative by one author or a dual perspective with two authors. Either way, they're complimentary to each other, not syncretic with Babylonian or Canaanite mythology. There's simply no linguistic evidence to say the accounts were based on Enuma elish, which was composed to exalt Marduk in the Babylonian pantheon and that expressed a more "order out of chaos" idea rather than the biblical creation by divine fiat (which was unique in the ancient Near East).
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Perhaps. Nonetheless, there're plenty of academic works documenting parallels between Sumerian mythology and the Bible. There are, likewise, plausible theories regarding the transmission of such mythology.

See, for example, Mesopotamia and the Bible: Comparative Studies, "The Story of Moses's Birth", "What's in a Name", and The Neo-Babylonian Empire and Babylon in the Latter Prophets.

I'm curious as to which works you're basing your assesment on?
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Mulu wrote:
NickD wrote:I may have made some of that up as I went along.
You are becoming an accomplished religious writer, I see.
I have been in communion with God and he has revealed what the real truth is and I am in the process of writing the True Bible of the God Host! I'm sure it will shock and amaze you!

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mxlm wrote:Perhaps. Nonetheless, there're plenty of academic works documenting parallels between Sumerian mythology and the Bible. There are, likewise, plausible theories regarding the transmission of such mythology.
Moreover, parallelism does not always equal plagiarism.
I'm curious as to which works you're basing your assesment on?
"The Earth and the Waters in Genesis 1 and 2: A Linguistic Investigation", Journal of Biblical Literature by David Toshio Tsumura
"The Battle between Marduk and Tiamat", Journal of the American Oriental Society by Thorkild Jacobsen
"A New Look at the Babylonian Background of Genesis", Journal of Theological Studies by W.G. Lambert
The Art Of Biblical Narrative by Robert Alter
Ancient Orient and Old Testament by K.A. Kitchen
"Creation in the Ras Shamra Texts", Studia Theologica 34 by A.S. Kapelrud
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Righto, thanks.
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