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Instead, she had zero time and no personal fortune. And she faced the terrible hurdle of being young and attractive — the very sort of woman who most desperately needs wardrobe cues to make her look authoritative. If she had had to pay for it herself, she could not have run. The bill would have been ruinous to a genuinely middle class person. So the GOP did what it had to do in order to put a non-rich woman on a national ticket. Whatever one thinks of the choice — and I am a supporter — it's nice to see that someone was thinking about the details. The difference between Palin at the announcement in Dayton, and Palin at the convention was a subtle but impressive transformation. Subtle always costs more. As a sometime GOP donor, I begrudge her none of it.
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So do you guys all mind if I take contributions for a new wardrobe for myself? I have to look my best when representing the word "sheik", you know.. and having such a wardrobe would ruin my college student, poor ass class.

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*in response to first 2 pages which is all i could be bothered reading*

In the words of fluff:
I'd hit it. No questions.

I'd also ask paazins mum to join in.


But i'd probably prefer if, afterwards, paazins mum ran for VP as Palin comes accross the non-american news waves as an idiot...with a damn good rack.
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God is listening to you Dorn... sort of.

Here's a promo shot from Hustler's upcoming flick, "Who’s Nailin Palin".

Enjoy ;)

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This latest excess brings to something else I half-heartedly felt like mentioning, but didn't because I have no proof other than my gut instinct.

Mulu, you say you are afraid of her "radical religious views" and the like. See... here's the point... I don't think she believes in those values nor is a convinced bible thumper. So maybe her policies are, but she strikes me as an opportunist. Need to be a religious fanatic to get the vote? Here I go. She seems fake to me at almost everything she says, like a bad actor. Of course, this is just my personal perception, this shopping spree being the first actual hint there may be some truth to the opportunism vibe I get from her, oh, and of course the bridge flip-flopping and stating things to sound sexy rather than true (but that of course is a trait with many politicians).
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I approve of MK's last post.
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Veilan wrote:I don't think she believes in those values nor is a convinced bible thumper. So maybe her policies are, but she strikes me as an opportunist. Need to be a religious fanatic to get the vote? Here I go. She seems fake to me at almost everything she says, like a bad actor.
For what it's worth she's been a hard core Pentecostal for at least 20 years and only "switched" the exact same year she joined the Republican Party. And that just happened to be the same year her husband quit the Alaskan Independence Party. Coincidence or result of political aspirations? Everything suggests the later.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/ ... index.html

She's the worst kind of Republican, a bible thumper who believes in "God's Plan" who's also power hungry. That's a long way from Reagan beliefs.

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Veilan wrote:I don't think she believes in those values nor is a convinced bible thumper.
Her wide-eyed zaniness says otherwise. McCain is a religious opportunist. In fact Hillary is too. Obama seems to be genuinely religious and Palin seems to be a genuine religious zealot, the difference between those two being one has moderate religious beliefs they hold strongly and the other has extreme religious beliefs and allows those beliefs to dictate her policies and actions.

She's the real deal. That's what makes her scary. She can't wait for the world to end. She gets excited just thinking about it. How this apocalyptic cult version of Christianity became acceptable and even dominant in some regions is the big mystery in US culture, and the reason the US is in decline to be quite honest. Faith based reasoning and policies over the last 8 years have proved disastrous.

I think McCain is reality based, but ultimately he's also imprudent and a hawk, and has to pander to the right, so I don't trust his otherwise secular decision-making either. Examples of imprudence include his campaign suspending stunt and economic plan du jour, hawkishness should be obvious but singing bomb bomb bomb Iran sure telegraphed it, and of course choosing Palin as his VP is as pandering to the right as it gets.

Though as for Reagan, I think he was a religious zealot too. He firmly believed that God had made him President, and had a "plan" for him. He was smart enough to not speak like a whacko in public, but he sure held at least some of those beliefs, and they did affect his policy. He was originally not going to prosecute the terrorists that blew up abortion clinics and murdered doctors. That's pretty out there. His cabinet ultimately convinced him that he had no choice but to prosecute.
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Mulu wrote:Though as for Reagan, I think he was a religious zealot too. He firmly believed that God had made him President, and had a "plan" for him. He was smart enough to not speak like a whacko in public, but he sure held at least some of those beliefs, and they did affect his policy. He was originally not going to prosecute the terrorists that blew up abortion clinics and murdered doctors. That's pretty out there. His cabinet ultimately convinced him that he had no choice but to prosecute.
Reagan had deep convictions but he certainly wasn't a religious zealot though modern day Republicans try their best to warp history to make it seem so. The reality is that his record was varied and seemingly in conflict with many of his convictions in order to get things done:

On Immigration:

"The Gipper had commented, in a 1977 radio broadcast, on the dearth of apple pickers in New England.”It makes one wonder about the illegal-alien fuss," Reagan said. "Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal-alien invasion, or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do?" Of one thing he expressed certainty: "No regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters."

On Taxes:

"Reagan was indeed a tax cutter — except for the few times he raised taxes, including in 1983 as part of a Social Security compromise with Democratic House Speaker Tip O'Neill."

On Entitlements:

"He wanted to scale back entitlements — except that the 1983 compromise expanded them."

On the Budget:

"He believed in balancing the budget — except that he left office with huge deficits."

On Free Trade:

"He was a free trader — except when he slapped tariffs or "voluntary" quotas on a range of Japanese imports."

On Abortion:

"He was a convert to the pro-life cause — except that two of his Supreme Court nominees went on to co-author (along with Justice David Souter) the 1992 decision which reaffirmed Roe v. Wade."

On Terrorism:

"He refused to bow to terrorism — except when the slaughter of 241 U.S. servicemen chased him out of Beirut, or when his administration (with or without Reagan's knowledge) traded arms for hostages in the Iran-Contra affair."

On Nukes:

"He rebuffed calls for a nuclear freeze — except that he later came out publicly as a nuclear abolitionist. He pursued a hard line with Moscow — except when he offered Gorbachev a "no nukes" pledge (the so-called zero option) at Reykjavik, much to the dismay of Margaret Thatcher, and then embraced arms-control diplomacy whole-hog."

To sum up:

"As Norman Podhoretz once remarked, "Ronald Reagan was much more of a conventional politician than he was taken to be. It is this that explains why he could so often compromise and sometimes violate even key elements of his putatively rock-bottom convictions; or why he tried mightily to pretend both to his friends and his opponents (and in some instances to himself as well) that he was doing no such thing; or why he was even willing to reverse course altogether for the sake of victory."

Food for thought.

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If the right hadn't whined about a $400 haircut, I'd have no problem ignoring the money Palin has spent on outfits. As it is, turnabout is fair F*^#ing play.
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"We had gone in search of the American dream. It had been a lame f*ckaround. A waste of time. There was no point in looking back. F*ck no, not today thank you kindly. My heart was filled with joy. I felt like a monster reincarnation of Horatio Alger. A man on the move... and just sick enough to be totally confident." -- Raoul Duke.
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"He was a convert to the pro-life cause — except that two of his Supreme Court nominees went on to co-author (along with Justice David Souter) the 1992 decision which reaffirmed Roe v. Wade."

Well, against his wishes....
Before McCain's arrival at a rally Saturday, a local clergyman delivered an invocation that instructed the almighty on his handling of the coming election.

"There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," said Rev. Arnold Conrad. "And, Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you if that happens."
Bleh.

The fashion press is starting to weigh in on the shopping spree. Glamour magazine really ripped her, but I lost the article and can't find it now. A snippet from Britain.
She has also several times repeated the fashion faux pas of teaming white tops with black skirts, making her look like a waitress.
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Point being Mulu, Reagan was far more agreeable to give and take on issues to get things done (in spite of personal convictions) and that is what has made him so popular in US history. These days, if your against the hard line Republican agenda, you’re not only unpatriotic but with the terrorists ;)

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Point taken. :)
An acclaimed celebrity makeup artist for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin collected more money from John McCain's campaign than his foreign policy adviser. Amy Strozzi, who works on the reality show "So You Think You Can Dance" and has been Palin's traveling stylist, was paid $22,800, according to campaign finance reports for the first two weeks in October. In contrast, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was paid $12,500, the report showed.
$22,800 for 2 weeks = $592,800/year. She's going to have an expensive run in 2012, and that's just for her make-up, not to mention the fact that the stylist's taxes will go up under Obama. :P
In addition, Angela Lew, who is Ms. Palin’s traveling hair stylist, got $10,000 for “Communications Consulting” in the first half of October.
Hmm, it may be time to dig up some old quotes about Edwards.... Again, over a year, that would be $260,000.00. That's some nice shampoo!
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She's losing the election for him. You betcha!

On her being the "real deal."
Ms. Palin spoke often of her spirituality, jotting notes to fellow pageant contestants (“Please keep God No. 1. He’s got great things for you, baby”), offering to pray for a college friend who was torn between two men, and choosing as her yearbook message: “He is the Light, and in the Light there is life.”
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MorbidKate wrote:God is listening to you Dorn... sort of.

Here's a promo shot from Hustler's upcoming flick, "Who’s Nailin Palin".

Enjoy ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV8uEzGuvfc
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Sarah Palin wrote:Where does a lot of that earmark money end up anyway? […] You've heard about some of these pet projects they really don't make a whole lot of sense and sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not.
Yes, why would anyone fund fruit fly research? After all, we could just as easily do molecular genetic research using human babies, right?

I'm not sure which is more frightening, that she would say this or that the majority of Americans would agree with her. I suppose the latter.
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