Personal Politics
Your quarantine makes them effectively prisoners. Denying them a right to movement and the ability to live where -they- want to. You are denying them their basic human dignity. What if they can afford the treatments on their own? Would they be required to stay there?
As it is, HIV/AIDS is treatable and the victims can live long lives safely without infecting anyone, so a quarantine is effectively bigoted in regulating a section of the population that can live safely among others, to a prisoner status. A second class citizen.
As it is, HIV/AIDS is treatable and the victims can live long lives safely without infecting anyone, so a quarantine is effectively bigoted in regulating a section of the population that can live safely among others, to a prisoner status. A second class citizen.
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Zakharra wrote:Your quarantine makes them effectively prisoners. Denying them a right to movement and the ability to live where -they- want to. You are denying them their basic human dignity. What if they can afford the treatments on their own? Would they be required to stay there?
I don't deny it. They would be treated better than prisoners, they would have every other freedom. But yes, they would effectively be prisoners, as anyone under quarantine is.
In much the same way that you are a prisoner. Where can you live outside of America? I don't know the current status of it, but Mikayla was denied a passport. Meaning she was restricted in movement as well. We're just talking about much smaller geographical areas.
Can, but so often don't. Otherwise the disease would never spread. Let's not forget that more often than not, HIV/AIDS is spread through the victim's own actions. Sure, we should all be forgiving of mistakes, but when those mistakes can put the lives of others in danger it needs to be controlled.As it is, HIV/AIDS is treatable and the victims can live long lives safely without infecting anyone, so a quarantine is effectively bigoted in regulating a section of the population that can live safely among others, to a prisoner status. A second class citizen.
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I'm sorry but you're pinning this all on the diseased.Let's not forget that more often than not, HIV/AIDS is spread through the victim's own actions. Sure, we should all be forgiving of mistakes, but when those mistakes can put the lives of others in danger it needs to be controlled.
If you're a person that's just gonna sleep with whomever, and not care about the health of the person you're sleeping with ( or yourself for that matter), well, you're risking contracting it ( along with many other forms of STD's). If you share a used needle, there's also that risk. It takes two to tango when it comes to AIDS/HIV.
Sounds like to me you're not understanding HOW it's communicated to others and that it's not just the victims of this disease that spread it, it's the people receptive to risky behavior.
So you might as well quarantine people of wild sexual behavior and those that use used hypodermics as well.
I guess I am also curious if you feel HPV, genital herpes, etc., is worthy enough for quarantine and if so, how do you plan on quarantining a population of people greater than the AIDS epidemic?
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I don't know how to respond to this. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People can be as promiscuous as they like, but one has to take responsibility for the consequences of one's actions. If sharing needles and unprotected sex with strangers results in HIV/AIDS then the victim is hardly blameless.Killthorne wrote:I'm sorry but you're pinning this all on the diseased.
If you're a person that's just gonna sleep with whomever, and not care about the health of the person you're sleeping with ( or yourself for that matter), well, you're risking contracting it ( along with many other forms of STD's). If you share a used needle, there's also that risk. It takes two to tango when it comes to AIDS/HIV.
Sounds like to me you're not understanding HOW it's communicated to others and that it's not just the victims of this disease that spread it, it's the people receptive to risky behavior.
So you might as well quarantine people of wild sexual behavior and those that use used hypodermics as well.
HPV and gential herpes are not terminal. While HPV is significantly more dangerous, there is fortunately now a vaccination.I guess I am also curious if you feel HPV, genital herpes, etc., is worthy enough for quarantine and if so, how do you plan on quarantining a population of people greater than the AIDS epidemic?
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I think I saw that movie at a bachelor party.So you might as well quarantine people of wild sexual behavior
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I believe I said it takes two in the blaming process, and don't think I ever said the victim was blameless.
I think I get it now though. You want the ability for everyone, to be able to have sex with anyone, without worry. To not have any concerns when you're picking up some chick at a bar and taking her home. Gotcha.
Are you sure we're going upwards on that Darwinian scale, or are we resorting back to that bonobo ape level of sexual maturity and self-respect?
Just one word for your quarantine: shallow.
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I think I get it now though. You want the ability for everyone, to be able to have sex with anyone, without worry. To not have any concerns when you're picking up some chick at a bar and taking her home. Gotcha.
Are you sure we're going upwards on that Darwinian scale, or are we resorting back to that bonobo ape level of sexual maturity and self-respect?
Just one word for your quarantine: shallow.
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At least she has an avenue to resolve that problem and will in time. She has the -option- to move and get around the bureaucracy. You take that option away. Even from those that can and do live with their disease responsibly. This is a very very bad idea since it can very likely lead to the beginning of a caste or almost slave style society since it is -impossible- to become uninfected by these diseases.NickD wrote:Zakharra wrote:Your quarantine makes them effectively prisoners. Denying them a right to movement and the ability to live where -they- want to. You are denying them their basic human dignity. What if they can afford the treatments on their own? Would they be required to stay there?
I don't deny it. They would be treated better than prisoners, they would have every other freedom. But yes, they would effectively be prisoners, as anyone under quarantine is.
In much the same way that you are a prisoner. Where can you live outside of America? I don't know the current status of it, but Mikayla was denied a passport. Meaning she was restricted in movement as well. We're just talking about much smaller geographical areas.
By that reasoning, anyone can be termed a problem and be regulated to one of these concentration camps or gulags. Which is what they would be since there's be no other way to keep people from leaving except by force.NickD wrote:Can, but so often don't. Otherwise the disease would never spread. Let's not forget that more often than not, HIV/AIDS is spread through the victim's own actions. Sure, we should all be forgiving of mistakes, but when those mistakes can put the lives of others in danger it needs to be controlled.As it is, HIV/AIDS is treatable and the victims can live long lives safely without infecting anyone, so a quarantine is effectively bigoted in regulating a section of the population that can live safely among others, to a prisoner status. A second class citizen.
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Re: Personal Politics
I want Clive Owen to star in this dystopian film.NickD wrote:QUARANTINE
I have been saying this for many years. People with an incurrable and infectious disease need to be quarantineed. And this includes people with HIV/AIDS. To make a long subject short, test everyone, put those that test positive in set communities where they are not allowed to leave, but otherwise have full freedoms and access to treatment. Test everyone who tested negative again six month later. Problem solved. We don't need to lose another 40 million+ people to the virus. I take a lot of flak for my beliefs on this one. Mostly people accuse me of encouraging concentration camps. I see it more as treating the cause rather than the symptoms.
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This thread was bananas.
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Seriously? You resurrected a dead thread from .... 6 years ago?!?
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Re: Personal Politics
I was searching for some other old thread and then stumbled onto this.
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I believe republicans should be put in quarantine.
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