Sure, to make one get a normal gun and a fanatic behind it, (any fanatic will do, simply the name will of the gun will change to be based on the cause of the fanatic) and then point the gun towards the target, telling them to adhere to tenants of the fanatics belief or be shot.
Overfilled Cup wrote:The women has been Islamified.....
Did they use their special Islam-O-Gun?
Cipher and Dan continues their numbnut partnership. Your pure existance explains how someone like Bush can be elected twice.
They put a headscarf on her. Isn't that by itself a violation of the Geneva Convention? Is Iran a signatory member of the GC?
LOL
I have no idea if Iran signed or not but it is rich to see you speak about the Geneva convention Zak. How about GITMO or the tortureprisons around the world that US uses? Get a grip man.
Don't know much about them but aint they from the same group of forces that kidnapped the britts?
And what where they doing in Iraq in the first place. My bet is they was running arms, or trying to set up a network to do so, maybe even provide training for the next crop of terrorist.
Some of yall are funny, some are entertaining, and others...well your view scares me. Still all and all it is still fun to see others views and perspectives from time to time.
ç i p h é r wrote:And Iran has 70 million reasons to give them up right quick before the "allied forces" bomb the sh*t out of them.
p.s. But we all know Iran won't give them up right quick. First, Ahmadinejad is stark raving mad. Second, he's done this before - five Americans in the hostage crisis of the 70's have fingered Ahmadinejad as the leader of the embassy raid - and Carter's failure to deal with Iran has apparently only encouraged him. And third, what does Iran really have to fear? Certainly not a Democratic controlled Congress in the United States of America that can't stomach a fight.
Yes Ahmadinejad is nuts but he certainly wasn't the leader of the US Hostage crisis.
He was loosely involved in the planning but that was about it since even his fellow radicals wouldn't let him near the embassy after the raid. It should be noted that IF he was involved to a significant degree it would be plastered all over the place as good PR for him within Iran and most of the Muslim world. Kinda like how rap-sheets are for promoting Hip-Hop artists to give them more "street cred" among their fans.
That said, the US is in no position whatsoever to go to war with Iran anyway so they'll talk tough but that's about it and Iran knows it.
Kate
"We had gone in search of the American dream. It had been a lame f*ckaround. A waste of time. There was no point in looking back. F*ck no, not today thank you kindly. My heart was filled with joy. I felt like a monster reincarnation of Horatio Alger. A man on the move... and just sick enough to be totally confident." -- Raoul Duke.
One of the 15 British service members held captive in Iran appeared Friday on state television and said he apologized "deeply" for entering Iranian waters, and the country released a third letter supposedly from the one woman in the crew saying she has been "sacrificed" by Britain.
coercion ? self preservation ?
Its such a shade of grey between torture and the truth aint it
Zakharra wrote:They put a headscarf on her. Isn't that by itself a violation of the Geneva Convention? Is Iran a signatory member of the GC?
That's the funniest thing I've read in these forums in a long long time Zak. Talk about the GC when it's about our people and redefine what torture is to deny the GC to others.
The thing that pisses me off about Faye Turney and the other sailor is that their letters and comments are only making their situation worse and making it more difficult for the Brits to get their quick release. They should be sitting tight and let the process play itself out, not encouraging Iran to string it out to get letters from every one of them.
One thing is certain; anyone who writes crap like that will be promptly bounced from the military the moment the media takes their eye off them once this is over because to fold like that with no indication of any torture or abuse is an embarrassment to their uniform and their country. You just know Iran won't think twice about grabbing some more the first chance they get.
I'm sure they'll all be home within a week. Only if they were to be put on trail would the Brits consider a military option to get them back.
Kate
"We had gone in search of the American dream. It had been a lame f*ckaround. A waste of time. There was no point in looking back. F*ck no, not today thank you kindly. My heart was filled with joy. I felt like a monster reincarnation of Horatio Alger. A man on the move... and just sick enough to be totally confident." -- Raoul Duke.
Jeppan wrote:Cipher and Dan continues their numbnut partnership. Your pure existance explains how someone like Bush can be elected twice.
No, Jeppan. That's a childish characterization. I'm obviously very PRO American and I express my opinion from that point of view, but there's a good reason for it. Unlike you, I have had the benefit of living in the generally barbaric culture of the Middle East as well as the more civilized culture of a free Western society, and I believe that the American/Western way of life is unquestionably superior. If you think the average American is ignorant, you have not had the privilege of meeting the average Arab who believes that Jews are the sons of pigs.
MorbidKate wrote:The thing that pisses me off about Faye Turney and the other sailor is that their letters and comments are only making their situation worse and making it more difficult for the Brits to get their quick release. They should be sitting tight and let the process play itself out, not encouraging Iran to string it out to get letters from every one of them.
One thing is certain; anyone who writes crap like that will be promptly bounced from the military the moment the media takes their eye off them once this is over because to fold like that with no indication of any torture or abuse is an embarrassment to their uniform and their country. You just know Iran won't think twice about grabbing some more the first chance they get.
You're being rather judgemental. You have no idea what they are going through, nor do you know how you would react in their situation, military training or not. You're also assuming they're not being tortured or abused, which is a strange assumption to make.
Current PCs:
NWN1: Soppi Widenbottle, High Priestess of Yondalla.
NWN2: Gruuhilda, Tree Hugging Half-Orc
ç i p h é r wrote:Unlike you, I have had the benefit of living in the generally barbaric culture of the Middle East as well as the more civilized culture of a free Western society, and I believe that the American/Western way of life is unquestionably superior.
I have been threatened to be shot in both America and England. In both countries, I have seen homelessness far surpassing that of any other country I have ever been to. Obviously such violent cultures with so little regard for their own people that they let so many sink to such deeps in their quality of life is a barbaric and savage culture that shouldn't be afforded the same freedoms and rights as those of us in civilized societies.
Current PCs:
NWN1: Soppi Widenbottle, High Priestess of Yondalla.
NWN2: Gruuhilda, Tree Hugging Half-Orc
I haven't watched any videos - I refuse to watch these things because I expect that's what they want - but perhaps they are dressing her up to hide any visible signs of torture? Merely speculation, but if I wanted to create a propaganda tape with a reticent captive, that'd be one way to do it. At the risk of over generalizing, a female captive may be more likely to buckle quickly under pressure than a male captive, not to mention, it's more damaging to the Western psyche to see a woman suffering or in harms way.
NickD wrote:[I have been threatened to be shot in both America and England. In both countries, I have seen homelessness far surpassing that of any other country I have ever been to. Obviously such violent cultures with so little regard for their own people that they let so many sink to such deeps in their quality of life is a barbaric and savage culture that shouldn't be afforded the same freedoms and rights as those of us in civilized societies.
