More American Politics!

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:03 am

To be quite honest its just this election is extremely important. A lot of things are going on in the US right now and our country is divided on many issues. We have lot on our plate and we want strong leaders right now. Economy isnt great, we are still dealing with the war, and our military is hurting. Its going to really be important to have someone in the white house whos going to be able to help us get back on our feet.

Magile · Post by **Magile** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:06 am

Swift wrote:Hey, im not the one running around ALFA with political avatars and sigs crowing about the holiness of Fox News and how <insert> is a douchebag and insulting everyone that doesn't agree, but nice try. That takes being a dick to another level.

I thank the gods that Australians don't take their politics to such idiotic extremes.

Lusipher wrote:To be quite honest its just this election is extremely important. A lot of things are going on in the US right now and our country is divided on many issues. We have lot on our plate and we want strong leaders right now. Economy isnt great, we are still dealing with the war, and our military is hurting. Its going to really be important to have someone in the white house whos going to be able to help us get back on our feet.

You heard it here first, folks! You can be a complete douchebag/dick to everyone you know and share a community with so long as it's an important issue!

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:06 am

Lusipher wrote:To be quite honest its just this election is extremely important. A lot of things are going on in the US right now and our country is divided on many issues. We have lot on our plate and we want strong leaders right now. Economy isnt great, we are still dealing with the war, and our military is hurting. Its going to really be important to have someone in the white house whos going to be able to help us get back on our feet.

You had that last time and you managed to screw it up then as well!

Kest · Post by **Kest** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:06 am

Swift wrote:I cant wait till this election is done and finished so all you extreme political nuts can go back to just being regular old dicks that some people can actually tolerate.

Yeah pretty much.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:20 am

You heard it here first, folks! You can be a complete douchebag/dick to everyone you know and share a community with so long as it's an important issue!

Yeah, you did when the mods came after you and your crew. I guess that was ok though eh?

Its ok to troll topics and such when you think its funny. Even got banned for it for like a split second (

) because of it. You have no room to speak when it comes to being a "douchebag/dick".

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:22 am

You had that last time and you managed to screw it up then as well!

Well, im glad our friends who live on gilligans island can point that out. Its kinda difficult running a nation as big as ours. Mistakes will be made no matter whos in office.

Magile · Post by **Magile** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:25 am

Lusipher wrote:
You heard it here first, folks! You can be a complete douchebag/dick to everyone you know and share a community with so long as it's an important issue!
Yeah, you did when the mods came after you and your crew. I guess that was ok though eh?

Its ok to troll topics and such when you think its funny. Even got banned for it for like a split second ( ) because of it. You have no room to speak when it comes to being a "douchebag/dick".

Hey, you're just helping me prove what I said was true.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:28 am

Lusipher wrote:Well, im glad our friends who live on gilligans island can point that out. Its kinda difficult running a nation as big as ours. Mistakes will be made no matter whos in office.

He had spent the last 4 years trashing your country and YOU RE-ELECTED HIM!

It's not rocket science.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:29 am

Lusipher wrote:
You heard it here first, folks! You can be a complete douchebag/dick to everyone you know and share a community with so long as it's an important issue!
Yeah, you did when the mods came after you and your crew. I guess that was ok though eh?

Calm yourself, you have gone far, far further over the line than anybody else did back when the mod blitz happened. You were the one actively championing it, and yet here you are plumbing the depths, doing just about everything that would have got you banned 2 months ago.

You really shouldn't bring up the mod blitz, as your turn around since then destroys any kind of credibility you had and makes it a topic you simply cannot use.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:45 am

He had spent the last 4 years trashing your country and YOU RE-ELECTED HIM!

Im glad he was in office rather than Gore. We spent too long in Iraq, I agree. We could have been using that money back here at home to help with our economy. I know many folks who are struggling, because a lot of jobs arent here anymore. Our insurance and healthcare keeps going up and most normal folks cant afford to go without food over gas. The next 4 years are going to have to turn us around. We will need to go in directions we didnt want to before (alternative energy, universal healthcare). I agree Bush dropped the ball. The man looked like deer in the headlights the past number of years, because all he could see was Iraq and it was becoming more and more of a mess. We couldnt just pull out because then it would have become an even bigger mess. We were too far involved.

Our next leaders..either dems or republicans..will have to work their asses off to try and boost us back up. We are at the lowest point Ive seen since Ive been alive. We need to stop the old way of thinking and try and advance back to being a world leader as well as an economic powerhouse. Other countries have caught up and left us in the lurch. Its made us weak and I honestly dont feel like being like the Roman empire and dying off anytime soon

White Warlock · Post by **White Warlock** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:58 am

Lusipher wrote:
He had spent the last 4 years trashing your country and YOU RE-ELECTED HIM!
Im glad he was in office rather than Gore.

Umm, dufus, it would have been Kerry.

Our next leaders..either dems or republicans..will have to work their asses off to try and boost us back up. We are at the lowest point Ive seen since Ive been alive. We need to stop the old way of thinking and try and advance back to being a world leader as well as an economic powerhouse. Other countries have caught up and left us in the lurch. Its made us weak and I honestly dont feel like being like the Roman empire and dying off anytime soon

Well then, recognize that under the Clintons, both National debt and External debt plummeted (that's a good thing), while under Bush, both rose dramatically. Sufficient evidence that maintaining Bush's economic policies is just a bad idea and, that's what McCain has indicated he intends to do.

External Debt (part of the total debt in the U.S. that is owed to creditors outside the country)

National Debt (part of the total debt owed by the U.S. Government to creditors)

Truman - Democrat (decreased)
Ike - Republican* (decreased)
Kennedy - Democrat (decreased)
LBJ - Democrat (decreased)
Nixon - Republican (maintained)
Ford - Republican (fluctuated but essentially maintained)
Carter - Democrat w/Republican congressional majority (slightly decreased)
Reagan - Republican (immediately increased)
Bush - Republican (increased)
Clinton - Democrat (decreased)
W. Bush - Republican (increased)

* Note the most significant impacts to National Debt loss has been while under Democratic governance. The exception to this is Eisenhower (Ike), but he was an exception as a Republican as well. During his tenure, he went strongly against the Republican stream, expanding Social Security, investing in an Interstate Highway system, and responding to the North Korean invasion. It was these things, and others that made him grossly unpopular with the Republican establishment, and it is the actions of Republicans (Taft being one of most vocal) that undermined his popularity within the public eye.

Please, pay attention. The Republicans have consistently demonstrated a failure to recognize the importance of decreased National Debt. This goes in direct opposition to their claims of wanting "small government."

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:01 am

Lusipher wrote:Our next leaders..either dems or republicans..will have to work their asses off to try and boost us back up. We are at the lowest point Ive seen since Ive been alive. We need to stop the old way of thinking and try and advance back to being a world leader as well as an economic powerhouse. Other countries have caught up and left us in the lurch. Its made us weak and I honestly dont feel like being like the Roman empire and dying off anytime soon

So i guess electing someone thats pushing pretty much the same policies of the last 8 years would just be a great way to do that then

See why people think americans are stupid? You clearly admit the country is the worst you have ever seen it, yet you openly endorse a candidate that has been a staunch supporter of the policies that have got you to that point and someone who is more than happy to essentially carry on with those policies for another 4 years.

Please tell me you are not that blind to be missing the irony here.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:52 pm

Umm, dufus, it would have been Kerry.

Your right. It was late and I was letting all the years run together.

So i guess electing someone thats pushing pretty much the same policies of the last 8 years would just be a great way to do that then

See why people think americans are stupid? You clearly admit the country is the worst you have ever seen it, yet you openly endorse a candidate that has been a staunch supporter of the policies that have got you to that point and someone who is more than happy to essentially carry on with those policies for another 4 years.

Please tell me you are not that blind to be missing the irony here.

McCain has never toted the republican line. He has always been one to cross the aisle and vote his way. He has stood up for somethings Bush wanted, but in most republican circles McCain doesnt even register. We dont consider him to be a hardcore republican.

Voersaa · Post by **Voersaa** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:32 pm

Lusipher wrote: McCain has never toted the republican line. He has always been one to cross the aisle and vote his way. He has stood up for somethings Bush wanted, but in most republican circles McCain doesnt even register. We dont consider him to be a hardcore republican.

What about Palin? There is a very real chance that she could end up becoming president. Where does she stand in what you are saying?

I find it rather disturbing that a completely unknown VP candidate can suddenly become so popular, when no one seems to know how she will act, once in office.

It's funny as hell to watch the US elections, as an outsider. Politics seems to be the least important subject.
Now back to the lipstick wearing pigs......

White Warlock · Post by **White Warlock** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:51 pm

Lusipher wrote: McCain has never toted the republican line. He has always been one to cross the aisle and vote his way. He has stood up for somethings Bush wanted, but in most republican circles McCain doesnt even register. We dont consider him to be a hardcore republican.

You say this despite McCain voting 91% of the time in unison with the Bush Administration? You do realize the Bush Administration is Republican, right?

You do realize that, "never toted the republican line" seems to go in direct contradiction with his voting 91% of the time in unison with Bush? I mean, are you now going to argue that Bush is also not a hardcore Republican?

I just want to know if you even believe any of this b.s. your posting...