Obama Wins in (edit) a sh*tload of places!

[HATEFACE]

Medical managers, Mulu, have almost nothing to do with pricing - that is a corporate decision. Medical managers are given strict, comprehensive guidelines with which they are then told to manage their portfolios - so medical managers are a symptom of the corporate health care culture, not a cause of it. And it is the corporate health care system that has led to the inflaction. Helios' link to Ron Paul's video is pretty good, at least in the first half, as Ron Paul discusses how our system got to where its at today. Its not doctors' greed, its corporate greed, if you must opt for a simple label. Nice link, by the way Helios. I am not sure I agree with RP on how to solve the problem, but that is not because I specifically disagree with RP, I just have not thought out the ramifications of his proposition yet. In short, I just don't know. Anyway, chalking it up to "doctor's greed" is the simple, 'soundbite' answer popular with patients around the country, and is symptomatic of the growing rift between patients and doctors that Ron Paul mentions - but its not the root cause of the problem - the root cause is how we've structured the system to begin with, and that is driven by large corporations, not doctors. And corporations, are, of course, driven by business people who are in turn driven by stock prices, the bottom line, shareholders, etc.

МИКСТУРА БУДЕТ ПРОКОНТРОЛИРОВАНА ПРАВИТЕЛЬСТВОМ!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuBVJ3dQHdw

Did Obama say he would bomb Pakistan without Musharrif's permission? I suppose that would make us popular in the eyes of all the paki's against musharrough just like all those people who were against saddam in Iraq, right? Ho man will that fuck us up in the eyes of mushroomheadif and his regeme and we just can't afford another war.

I hope hillary is down for the count. Her annoying "I don't deal with hypotheticals." only tells me she can't think outside the box or just doesn't want to answer the question. A very uncreative and ridged woman. Her smile is, to quote John Stewart, "where boners go to die."

I may sound like a liberal sometimes but I'm only a liberal when I empty out my briefcase and represent populist altruistic views without thinking critically about them.

[Grand Fromage]

I'm curious about your opinion on Giuliani(9/11), Rotku. He's extremely authoritarian--do you like that, or did you just not run across this in your research? He's about the closest thing to an actual fascist in the race.

Finally, I'm not the only one spouting inane senseless drivel. Did I reach you in some way? For your sake I hope you're faking.

We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. You have free speech so I can be heard.

Giuliani has expressed that he believes the President has the authority to arrest U.S. citizens with no judicial review

[...] we have to remain a country that has the Patriot Act, a country that has electronic surveillance to use to find out about these plots that may be being planned.

He's also a big fan of torture. I'm not fakeposting, simply paying attention to his own words. I used to like him, until I spent some time learning about him and found out what a bag of shit he is. Fortunately he doesn't appear to have a chance in hell.

[Rotku]

What do you think of Ron Paul Rotku?

I don't know how I missed him out before! It seems he's taken a nice step away from the conservative side of things towards representing more what I associate with right-winged politics. Personally, I am strongly in favour of his economic policies and think that New Zealand needs some more thinking like that. I find his way of thinking curious when it comes to free trade and multilateral bodies - they seem, in many ways, to be counterintuitive. I really do think that having such policies would be of a great benefit to you guys, if (a) he is able to follow through with them (might be a bit hard when the dems control the house); and (b) following his 8 or so years, someone with a mindset similar to Edwards comes forwards to make the most of Paul's gains. His isolationism policies seem... backwards. Not sure if they'll really fit in this modern world. The thing that really does grab my attention is his view on abortion. With every other issue he seems really liberal, until it comes to this, where he's jumped completely to the other side of the fence.

In the end of the day though, another extremist. Takes an extreme situation for someone like him to get in - elect Edwards for a couple of terms then Paul may get his chance in the spot light.

[HATEFACE]

I'm curious about your opinion on Giuliani(9/11), Rotku. He's extremely authoritarian--do you like that, or did you just not run across this in your research? He's about the closest thing to an actual fascist in the race.

Finally, I'm not the only one spouting inane senseless drivel. Did I reach you in some way? For your sake I hope you're faking.

We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. You have free speech so I can be heard.

Giuliani has expressed that he believes the President has the authority to arrest U.S. citizens with no judicial review

[...] we have to remain a country that has the Patriot Act, a country that has electronic surveillance to use to find out about these plots that may be being planned.

He's also a big fan of torture. I'm not fakeposting, simply paying attention to his own words. I used to like him, until I spent some time learning about him and found out what a bag of sh*t he is. Fortunately he doesn't appear to have a chance in hell.

I'm going to pretend like you were faking to ease my troubled mind about you. Fair enough?

While I agree he isn't the best choice (he is in fact, the least next to "Tommy boy" Tancredo). He'll(Rudy) lead us down that path by opening up room for an asshat Hitler type though which isn't an option for any true blooded American. (I don't count neo-nazis or any other homegrown terrorist organization as american or republican(FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU FOR SAYING IT DEMOCRATS) for that matter.) Rudy is indeed a egocentric fuck but not an authoritarian. DO NOT WANT!

Huckabee is my choice if Ron Paul doesn't get it. How can a atheist support a Christian? Easy, I'm not a douchebag to people who choose to believe in something and I have a healthy respect for the first amendment.

[dergon darkhelm]

We have expensive health care because of greedy greedy doctors.

While it is true that I am one greedy bastard, my personal greed and that of my partners has very little to do with the expense of health care in the US.

[dergon darkhelm]

Now back to your regularly scheduled polital arguments.....

[Rotku]

I'm curious about your opinion on Giuliani(9/11), Rotku. He's extremely authoritarian--do you like that, or did you just not run across this in your research? He's about the closest thing to an actual fascist in the race.

Yeah, seen that side. Sort of threw it in with his foreign policies - horrible.

[HATEFACE]

What do you think of Ron Paul Rotku?

I don't know how I missed him out before! It seems he's taken a nice step away from the conservative side of things towards representing more what I associate with right-winged politics. Personally, I am strongly in favour of his economic policies and think that New Zealand needs some more thinking like that. I find his way of thinking curious when it comes to free trade and multilateral bodies - they seem, in many ways, to be counterintuitive. I really do think that having such policies would be of a great benefit to you guys, if (a) he is able to follow through with them (might be a bit hard when the dems control the house); and (b) following his 8 or so years, someone with a mindset similar to Edwards comes forwards to make the most of Paul's gains. His isolationism policies seem... backwards. Not sure if they'll really fit in this modern world. The thing that really does grab my attention is his view on abortion. With every other issue he seems really liberal, until it comes to this, where he's jumped completely to the other side of the fence.

In the end of the day though, another extremist. Takes an extreme situation for someone like him to get in - elect Edwards for a couple of terms then Paul may get his chance in the spot light.

I dont' know if he's an isolationist or not. That's why I am on the edge between him and Huckabee. As for Ron Paul it would be hard for him to sway the people more than democrats who control the house but only if people change their ideas of how and what government should be. If they do, house democrats are a bunch of yesmen populists so they'll fall in line eventually. I imagine if he's president their approval rating will go up and they might start packing their briefcases with stuff. In the end it will always take a republican, even if he is a dark horse candidate, to do the right thing even if it is unpopular. (With the exception of Lydon Johnson's view on civil rights.) Bush stuck by his shit despite opposition and continued the surge. Though he's a lame republican president he succeeded in limiting violence in that region but since political reconciliation and reconstruction doesn't seem to be happening in Iraq. Fuck 'em. Let's all go home.

[Rotku]

I dont' know if he's an isolationist or not.

Nonintervention, isloation, very similar. He supports withdrawing from the International Criminal Court, the United Nations, the Law of the Sea Treaty, WTO, NATO, etc. He wants to leave Iran alone and disagreed with all involvement in Iraq. Then you look at his stance on Darfur and the likes. THe only place where I wouldn't place him in the isolationist camp would be in regards to free trade - "He often proposes instead that the U.S. engage in unilateral free trade by the simple abolition of trade barriers at home (similar to Hong Kong's approach), rather than send massive, unaccountable foreign aid." But then, that fits nicely with his economic side of things.

[Mulu]

Let's see how many people who don't think doctors are the cause of excessive healthcare costs can define the term, "referral ring." I'm not saying corporate health management isn't part of the problem, but I've seen a lot of medical bills in my day, from real people.

Another issue is quite simply how much we can do now.

[HATEFACE]

Let's see how many people who don't think doctors are the cause of excessive healthcare costs can define the term, "referral ring." I'm not saying corporate health management isn't part of the problem, but I've seen a lot of medical bills in my day, from real people.

Another issue is quite simply how much we can do now.

REAL LIVE PEOPLE?!

[Rick7475]

Just curious, there is a lot of talk about Huckabee, Obama, Clinton, Gulianni as front runners, but it seems quiet when it comes to McCain and Romney.

Do you really think that if Obama beats Clinton for the demo ticket that he would stand a chance against good ole boy McCain? Or clean suit Romney?

[Grand Fromage]

I don't think Romney's going go get anywhere, he's as slimy as Clinton. And McCain doesn't have a chance and never did. He's on the bottom with Ron Paul and Giuliani(9/11).

I doubt either would have a chance even if they got the nomination. No one who isn't retarded trusts a word Romney says. He offers nothing. The only way I can see Romney getting the nomination is if the GOP goes out of their way to use him as a club to knock Huckabee out, since they all hate Huckabee. Huckabee's stealing away their base in the religious right, since the evangelicals noticed he's truly the same kind of nutbar they are. And McCain's never had much support among Republicans, and the last four years of having his tongue a foot deep in Bush's ass has eliminated his support among the rest of us. I would be shocked to see him get anywhere.

I guess I could see Romney recovering but I don't see him winning. He's a Republican amalgamation of Kerry and Hillary.

[Mulu]

Never did find a good economic comparison analysis, but here's a decent green comparison analysis.

I keep trying to figure out who the GOP candidate will be, and keep getting nowhere. It's a totally open field. Huckabee does have that lazy eye appeal to the fundies, and if Mitt were any more corporate he'd piss paperclips.

[HATEFACE]

I don't think Romney's going go get anywhere, he's as slimy as Clinton. And McCain doesn't have a chance and never did. He's on the bottom with Ron Paul and Giuliani(9/11).

I doubt either would have a chance even if they got the nomination. No one who isn't retarded trusts a word Romney says. He offers nothing. The only way I can see Romney getting the nomination is if the GOP goes out of their way to use him as a club to knock Huckabee out, since they all hate Huckabee. Huckabee's stealing away their base in the religious right, since the evangelicals noticed he's truly the same kind of nutbar they are. And McCain's never had much support among Republicans, and the last four years of having his tongue a foot deep in Bush's ass has eliminated his support among the rest of us. I would be shocked to see him get anywhere.

I guess I could see Romney recovering but I don't see him winning. He's a Republican amalgamation of Kerry and Hillary.

McCain won NH.

Did Hillary win NH? Please say no. Please.