Fox gives McCain an 82% win over Obama in the latest debate

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Mulu wrote:
HATEFACE wrote:You must burn a lot of books but for some reason it doesn't seem to be helping you.
Is that really the best you can do?
NOPE! I can do much better. Here is the church of Obama child's choir. ;p
Ain't they cute? You can almost see the vacancy in their tiny eyes because they don't know what they're doing. They're just young kids being exploited for an ideology. Not related to Obama's campaign but by name only? Of course. Obama is a unique individual; he, often in speeches says he cannot claim responsibility for what other people do in his name. Scary thought.He shouldn't claim responsibility for independent people to further his own agenda. That agenda being "change" of course. Wow. Just as well funded as the miitary, right Obama? A national security police w/ military hardware? Well fu<k me and maybe fu<k US too if we get out of line!!

Sorry, still can't vote for the piece of crap Obama. I say you're a piece of human waste for voting for him. Lawyers always seem more willing then judges to manipulate the law toward their own end.

Say Veilan, if this keeps up, I might be moving to germany soon. I heard its better there anyway.
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Except Hamburg. I hear there are terrorists there. :P
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Veilan wrote:Proportional representation is pretty decent. Over here we have it, along with a 5%-hurdle, i.e. anything below doesn't get seats. As a result, we have basically 5 electable parties, which differ quite a good deal in their programs. We do have more, but those only manage to secure seats from time to time on a "protest vote".
Same here. 2 main parties, with up to 4 minor parties. It gives a bit too much power to the "we hate asians" party, but it does allow the Green party to get a bit done (although they don't push their agenda nearly as much as I would like).
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I don't know who I want to win this election, but I think McCain lost the debate. Its a sad thing to see one's party slide down the tubes into the FAIL zone of politics. Hell, who am I kidding? They were there 6 months after Bush II, part II began.
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ç i p h é r wrote:Except Hamburg. I hear there are terrorists there. :P
Yes cipher, also Europe is full of racists, as opposed to good ol' open minded, peace loving US of A *rolls eyes and coughs* :P.
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ç i p h é r wrote:Except Hamburg. I hear there are terrorists there. :P
Yes cipher, also Europe is full of racists, as opposed to good ol' open minded, peace loving US of A *rolls eyes and coughs* :P.
They're full of unbathed heathens is what. I don't know how I will bare it. Veilan can I live in your basement?
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No. But there is space on the attic.
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wooHOOO!
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Veilan wrote:Yes cipher, also Europe is full of racists, as opposed to good ol' open minded, peace loving US of A *rolls eyes and coughs* :P.
Just tell me where to point my gun. J/K!! :wink:
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HATEFACE wrote:Sorry, still can't vote for the piece of crap Obama. I say you're a piece of human waste for voting for him.
At least you have officially confirmed your an intolerant person now.
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HATEFACE wrote:Sorry, still can't vote for the piece of crap Obama. I say you're a piece of human waste for voting for him.
At least you have officially confirmed your an intolerant person now.
How am I intolerant?
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Tolerant = "I disagree with your views, but understand that you are voting for the candidate that best represents your honest belief in what's best for the country. I, however, will be voting for the other guy."

Intolerant = "I still can't vote for that piece of crap and think you are a piece of human waste for voting for him." Which I am sure was accompanied by the unspoken thought "God I wish there was a way to keep these liberal scum from voting so the world could unfold according to my indisputable rightness."
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sgould72 wrote:Tolerant = "I disagree with your views, but understand that you are voting for the candidate that best represents your honest belief in what's best for the country. I, however, will be voting for the other guy."

Intolerant = "I still can't vote for that piece of crap and think you are a piece of human waste for voting for him." Which I am sure was accompanied by the unspoken thought "God I wish there was a way to keep these liberal scum from voting so the world could unfold according to my indisputable rightness."
LOL! :lol: That is MY opinion of the man after hearing him talk. It is MY opinion of Mulu that DESPITE evidence to the contrary, he still believes in the messiah and his message of a para-socialist nanny state. YOUR assumption of ME in regards to this "unspoken thought" is intolerance. It is your assumption that this is the WAY I think and behave. I don't claim to be right but I do see the world differently then other people. That cannot be helped. People form different opinions. Because we allow other viewpoints within the republican party to form. It isn't a suprise that the republican party is often left with libertarians who disagree with me, social republicans who disagree with me, fiscal conservatives who disagree with me, Reagan democrats who disagree with me, and the ever voiceful religious right who disagrees with me. More often then not they disagree with each other because they have differing opinions and that very well may be their downfall in regards to a opposition political party that does not contain such disagreements.

Now, that initial question wasn't posed to you but Swift. You took it upon your idiotic self to interject and define intolerance for him.
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Given that you're not old enough to vote, guess you're opinion is meaningless. ;)
Politico wrote:John McCain told the Des Moines Register this week that he always tells "100 percent absolute truth," even in campaign ads. There's one big problem with that bold statement: it's just not true.

McCain has made a number of statements — in paid ads and on the campaign trail — that simply cannot be described as 100 percent accurate. Some aren't even close.

Barack Obama is guilty, too. He falsely accused McCain of wanting to slice Social Security benefits in half and grossly exaggerated his role in writing this year's economic stimulus plan. He also promised to accept public financing — and then proceeded to opt out when it was clear he could raise more money on his own.

But only McCain made this dare: Prove it, he told the Register. The paper did not — Politico will.

With the help of the truth-squad crew over at the invaluable Politifact and factcheck.org, as well as other fact-checking websites, here is a list of some of McCain's biggest whoppers:

1. On "The View," McCain claimed Sarah Palin did not take or request earmarks as governor of Alaska. "Not as governor, she didn't," McCain said. But in her first year in office, she requested $256 million in earmarks from the federal government.

2. Shortly after announcing Sarah Palin as his running mate, the McCain campaign ran an ad claiming, "She stopped the bridge to nowhere" — perhaps the most thoroughly debunked claim about the Alaska governor, who supported the bridge project before changing her position late in the game. Asked about the bridge during her 2006 gubernatorial bid, Palin replied: "I'm not going to stand in the way of progress."

3. At the Republican National Convention, McCain claimed Obama's national health insurance plan would "force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages and force families into a government-run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor." But according to factcheck.org, Obama's plan does not place burdens on small business, and people would have the option of keeping their existing insurance plans.

4. In a campaign ad, "Dome," McCain claimed Obama's election would result in "painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil," the clear implication being that Obama wants to hike these tax rates. But factcheck.org says Obama hasn't proposed a tax on electricity or home heating oil and wouldn't raise taxes on investments for individuals earning less than $200,000 a year.

It's possible Obama's election would result in these tax rates increasing. But this McCain-Palin claim is a little like the Obama camp's misleading attack on McCain's Social Security plan, tagging his opponent with the most undesirable, unintended and far from certain consequences of his policy proposals.

5. McCain has repeatedly accused Obama of supporting higher taxes on people making as little as $42,000 a year. "Two times, on March 14, 2008 and June 4, 2008, in the Democratic budget resolution, he voted to raise taxes on people making just $42,000 per year," McCain said this week. But this is a misleading claim: Obama's votes were for nonbinding resolutions, which supported allowing certain Bush administration tax cuts to expire but didn't actually have the effect of raising taxes.

6. In a July visit to Colorado, McCain told voters: "I want to look you in the eye: I will not raise your taxes nor support a tax increase. I will not do it." Last Sunday, however, McCain acknowledged to ABC's George Stephanopoulos that his health care plan could lead to some people paying taxes on employer-provided health insurance.

"It depends on what plan they have," McCain said. "But that's usually the wealthiest people."

7. McCain's campaign claimed adviser Rick Davis had taken a leave of absence from his firm, Davis Manafort, and vigorously attacked a New York Times story suggesting that Davis had profited from Davis Manafort's relationship with mortgage lender Freddie Mac. "Mr. Davis has seen no income from Davis Manafort since 2006," wrote McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb, who called the Times story "demonstrably false."

"Mr. Davis has never — never — been a lobbyist for either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac."

But Davis Manafort was receiving $15,000 monthly payments from Freddie Mac as recently as August, and while the payments didn't go to Davis personally he still stands to gain from the success of his firm.

8. McCain has boasted of never requesting a single earmark, saying in January: "I have never asked for nor received a single earmark or pork-barrel project for my state." But he has requested federal funding for special projects back home, including $10 million for a center at the University of Arizona, $5 million for a home-state water project and spending authority to purchase land around Arizona's Luke Air Force Base.

Politifact says it's a matter of debate whether these projects constitute pork-barrel spending — but clearly McCain has searched for federal help in his own backyard.

9. In last Friday's debate, McCain accused Obama of "voting to cut off funds for the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan." But Obama has consistently voted in favor of war funding bills, including an earlier version of the bill McCain was discussing. The Illinois senator voted against this particular proposal because it did not push the Bush administration toward a timetable for withdrawal. McCain's comment was technically defensible — but rather too sly to be called "absolute truth."

10. In July, McCain accused Obama of skipping his visit to a military hospital in Germany because he was told he couldn't bring reporters and video cameras. McCain ran an ad saying: "Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras." But when pressed to provide evidence that Obama had canceled the visit for this reason, McCain's campaign could not support their claim — and media reports found no evidence that Obama had ever planned to bring media with him.
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Mulu wrote:Given that you're not old enough to vote, guess you're opinion is meaningless. ;)
:lol:

He won't go to meet troops without his cameras and masters of PR just as he refuses to remove the bracelet and chooses to against the wishes of the mother.

Obama is politics as unusual. Mulu, do have anything to say about the "para-military civilian national security force."?
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