McCain taps Palin for VP!

[HATEFACE]

The fact is that Ron Paulites represent. . .libertarians mostly and a few disinfranchised voters, both left & right people who hate the Iraq War and everything accomplished therein.

'Everything accomplished' therein including destroying the country and sending it spiralling into a civil war, not to mention straining American relations with half the world, right?

Yeah, i simply cant imagine why people would hate something like that

Guess we'll have to disagree on that. You see, there was no civil war. The country isn't obliterated and as far as rest of the world, we still have a coalition and I'm mighty proud that despite the disagreement of unparticipating citizens the world over, those that choose to actively stabalize iraq, still find common ground. Even 'enemies' and our guys.
There was an amazing encounter between an Iranian border guard and one of our guys in green. I wish I had a link off hand but to sum it up, it was christmas in the trenches and both sides sung. I guess I'm more optimistic than you. *shrugs* Sorry for not viewing the world as that bad.

[MorbidKate]

Interestingly enough the party is the third largest in alaska.

Yup. Something about it reminds me of many Texans I know. Very State loyal.

I got a few questions. This is assuming what is implied here is true, i.e., 'That she wants to succeed from the union.'

Nothing implied. Facts with sources. Hubby is a card carrying member of a separation party and she had involvement.

What makes you think America would go with succession it IF it IS her agenda?

Of course America wouldn't allow it.

Why is this proposition the LA times makes so laughable?

LA Times is just one source I pulled from. Assuming you Googled, there are loads of her actions on the public record. What's laughable is the GOP trying to keep a straight face when they say she's an excellent/best choice to lead the country... possibly from Day 2 of a McCain Presidency. To believe otherwise is to believe Palin's preggo daughter wasn't a main selling point on picking her over loads of other more qualified people and other women in particular for the issue shift it would cause. Anyone talking economy? Nope. What's everyone talking about? This is Rove's Swan song.

Why shouldn't she appeal to one of the larger parties in alaska while running for governer, one where her husband apparently likes?

Likes?? HAH. Member for 7 years isn't "like" baby.

Also, is Obama a secret muslim? See, I can do it too.

Care to post from the public record to support your claim? FOX doesn't count. Obama's whole family is Christian and that's part of the public record, not a traitor in the bunch

It's about getting to know who the heck this Palin is cause as of just a couple days ago nobody had a clue... which should say volumes.

One a mora thinga! Credible sources please, don't pull a Mulu on people. Don't get me wrong, I love LA times, vanity faire, wired, jim john's slack jawed rumor blog, and the inquirer. Anyway - Continue your sewing circle old crones.

Funny I thought I gave sources. Even posted the Vid of Palin's speaking at the separation convention and having the leader she knows well confirm that she's been involved with the group for years. There's a two part vid on YouTube if you want it totally unedited. Feel free to Google for sources all you like cause there are loads so don't pull a Fox News or Danny Boy on us

Kate

[HATEFACE]

Interestingly enough the party is the third largest in alaska.

Yup. Something about it reminds me of many Texans I know. Very State loyal.

I got a few questions. This is assuming what is implied here is true, i.e., 'That she wants to succeed from the union.'

Nothing implied. Facts with sources. Hubby is a card carrying member of a separation party and she had involvement.

What makes you think America would go with succession it IF it IS her agenda?

Of course America wouldn't allow it.

Why is this proposition the LA times makes so laughable?

LA Times is just one source I pulled from. Assuming you Googled, there are loads of her actions on the public record. What's laughable is the GOP trying to keep a straight face when they say she's an excellent/best choice to lead the country... possibly from Day 2 of a McCain Presidency. To believe otherwise is to believe Palin's preggo daughter wasn't a main selling point on picking her over loads of other more qualified people and other women in particular for the issue shift it would cause. Anyone talking economy? Nope. What's everyone talking about? This is Rove's Swan song.

Why shouldn't she appeal to one of the larger parties in alaska while running for governer, one where her husband apparently likes?

Likes?? HAH. Member for 7 years isn't "like" baby.

Also, is Obama a secret muslim? See, I can do it too.

Care to post from the public record to support your claim? FOX doesn't count. Obama's whole family is Christian and that's part of the public record, not a traitor in the bunch

It's about getting to know who the heck this Palin is cause as of just a couple days ago nobody had a clue... which should say volumes.

One a mora thinga! Credible sources please, don't pull a Mulu on people. Don't get me wrong, I love LA times, vanity faire, wired, jim john's slack jawed rumor blog, and the inquirer. Anyway - Continue your sewing circle old crones.

Funny I thought I gave sources. Even posted the Vid of Palin's speaking at the separation convention and having the leader she knows well confirm that she's been involved with the group for years. There's a two part vid on YouTube if you want it totally unedited. Feel free to Google for sources all you like cause there are loads so don't pull a Fox News or Danny Boy on us

Kate

1. Not funny, you didn't give credible sources. I probably should of clarified legitimate sources. ;/ Sorry. Still, her husbands involved and by extention her involvement is implied.

2. Also the husband doesn't like the party, he buttfucks the shit out of it, he loves it! He goes to every meeting and busts a load, is that what you wanted to hear bay-be?! Don't fuck with semantics and slippery slope it. A nerve in your brain must of shorted out. Don't call me baby. If you think its enduring, its not. I don't view it that way, I can almost taste the patronization.

3. Nothing wrong with a statesmen. Texans and Alaskans are vastly different any way. If the boonies don't get proper representation, maybe they have a right to succeed. I see them as the Puerto Rico of the northlands any way.

Care to post from the public record to support your claim? FOX doesn't count. Obama's whole family is Christian and that's part of the public record, not a traitor in the bunch ;(

Of course fox doesn't count. It never counts with people such as yourself. It's too legitimate for you. Guess what? LA times, wired, doesn't count for me, niether does Msnbc. - That's my Fox news. Those outlets are poisons injected into society. I can see through their lies and bullshit. Guess you missed the joke there. . . So, in all seriousness. . .
He attented a muslim school in Jakarta when he was a kid. Psychologically speaking that kid is still there grasping for approval from any source. My guess is shit will really hit the fan when he figures out he can't please everyone. Abandoned by his father totally fucks with a kids psyche. History of drug abuse, etc. . . The list goes on. He's not a muslim - but I doubt he's a christian either. If so, he's following revrend wrights black fundamentalist liberation theology, maybe he IS a christian in the sense that he doesn't follow your standard christian doctrine but what do I know I'm the white devil. Demcrat:. Intolerant to the very core of their being and completely oblivious of it too. Sad, if it wasn't so damn funny.

Oh wait! He disaowned Rev Run Wright. I guess he must of been TRUTHFUL ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. A first for politicians.
My guess is he's a lying son-of-a-bitch like all others to disown someone so quickly. He knows what to say, when to say it. Change I can believe in? No thanks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/us/po ... ref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/po ... obama.html

NY times, a trusted source for liberals! Mind the spin. . .

If not this, why not Dreams of my FATHER by Barack Hussien Obama? He mentions drug use there. smack, if I'm not mistaken. Heiron if your fuckin stupid. There is also that Youtube video of that dude saying Obama pressured him into oral sex for cocaine in a limo. Dunno if that's real or not. Probably not but funny due to well, the obvious drug use in the past.

He wanted the POTUS! He wanted it and he aired out all his dirty laundry so that people get over it and go 'meh, not a biggie'

What is Obama? He is a combination of black liberation theology and muslim upbringing. He represents diversity for the democratic party, hope, the future, everything happy and smiley. He is obscured behind bullshit and fanatism unlike anything I have ever seen yet you rag on Palin for this. Insanity? I think so. On your knees believer. Weep with the masses at the DMC.

[NickD]

It's crazy. The Republicans who are more centralist should form a different party from the crazy right wing nut jobs. I'm sure a party of not so conservative Republicans would pick up a reasonable number of Democrat voters as well.

[ç i p h é r]

Why should anyone care that Todd Palin belongs to the Alaska Independence Party? How is that even relevant?

About the war, in retrospect, it was clearly not a necessary war (unless something emerges in the future to prove otherwise) in the sense that the danger was not imminent, though to be fair, Saddam would have reconstituted his WMD programs as soon as possible and thus a conflict may have been inevitable. However, there are still some positive take aways in my opinion:

1. If we can maintain good relations with the Iraqis, we have another potential ally in the Middle East, and one on the border with Iran. Clearly, this can cut two ways but the possibility exists that we could end up with a favorable outcome.
2. A successful Democratic Iraq could serve as a model for other nations in the region. With greater liberties should come more prosperity for the Arab people.
3. But perhaps most importantly, we did what we said we would do (per the security council resolution that authorized military action), and that puts teeth to our words. This should serve as a deterrent for future confrontations by bringing adversaries to the bargaining table. Peace through strength.

Unfortunately, that is more than the UN or Europe has been willing to do when faced with potential confrontation. As a direct consequence, regional powers like Russia know that they can get away with invading their neighbors. This is almost the exact pretext under which WWII began. Will the invasion of Georgia be the beginning of a new era in Russian hegemony or merely an energy play? I guess we'll find out....

On the feminist note, it's always been clear to me that feminism was never about promoting women as much as it was about promoting certain policies. The thing is, if you're pro-choice, shouldn't you support (and applaud) Sarah Palin's choice to be pro-life? I mean, who the hell is pro-abortion?

In my view, simply being pro-life and living it can serve as a tremendous example to others, and our leaders all too often fail to lead by example. The question is, if we could have a leader that demonstrates the highest moral standards but at the same time refuses to codify morality into law, would that appease both social conservatives and social progressives on the abortion issue?

[Mulu]

Just out of curiosity, who in your family supports Liberman? He was always championed by the left as a traitor.

There are no moderate republicans in my family. It's almost entirely democrat, with a few misguided right wingers who watch Fox News wide-eyed and nodding to everything. However, I know many moderate Republicans (common in business) and they like Lieberman.

1. If we can maintain good relations with the Iraqis, we have another potential ally in the Middle East, and one on the border with Iran. Clearly, this can cut two ways but the possibility exists that we could end up with a favorable outcome.
2. A successful Democratic Iraq could serve as a model for other nations in the region. With greater liberties should come more prosperity for the Arab people.
3. But perhaps most importantly, we did what we said we would do (per the security council resolution that authorized military action), and that puts teeth to our words. This should serve as a deterrent for future confrontations by bringing adversaries to the bargaining table. Peace through strength.

Two big "if's" and one ROFL. What we showed isn't that we live up to our threats, it's that we are too weak to control a single country.

[HATEFACE]

It's crazy. The Republicans who are more centralist should form a different party from the crazy right wing nut jobs. I'm sure a party of not so conservative Republicans would pick up a reasonable number of Democrat voters as well.

It's crazy, but everyone in america needs representation. Representation is the principle on which our country is based. All people should have a voice from your far right religious, your too crazy for asylum paultards libertarians, Alaskan statesmen succeeders, & anarchists. . .okay maybe they don't count. - to your far left code-pinkests, oh so wonderful american nazi party socialists, KKK grand dragons of whatever. It's unfortunate but true, they too need representation. They may not represent the moderate bloc but they are part of america; Are they not? Most republicans, and I too, believe that the more dangerous fellows need to be expelled and driven out. That they have no rights because they don't follow the american idealogy & and have deeply rooted anti-american sentiment. Why should Republicans support the more dangerous rogue groups that would potentially usurp the constitution if they could ( and on a scale far worse and dramatic than what democrats percieve Bush has done.)? I often wonder why the ACLU goes at such great lengths to support some of these groups.

People ask me, do I hate Bush for all he has done? No. I disagree with what specific people within the administration have done. it's one thing to create a scapegoat out of a president in order to curry political favor, is quite another to analyse a situation and place blame where it ought to be placed and correct the situation. So who do I blame? The general at the time who failed to set up a post Saddam security plan in Iraq, who apparently, didn't square himself away. 'He' didn't realize that 'He' is responsible for our men and women on the ground and that 'he' is responsible for civilians lost. That man's name is now 'retired general' Tom Franks. Do you know who I blame? I blame Mayor Ray "chocolate city" Nagin, a former so called republican now democrat who didn't properly prepare for what came in 05'. I also blame the FEMA director at that time. All this shit has been convoluted so much people don't know what's what any more, and for what reason? Political power posturing by the democratic party.

You want biprtisanship? Do you want something to be honestly accomplished from both sides of the ilse? McCain is your ticket, having a history of bipartisanship. We republicans elect and stand by the more liberal of us for POTUS as a gesture of reaching out and what do you whiny good for nothing motherfuckers do? You bitch him out and call out ANYTHING to make him appear to something he is not. Quit playing the victim like life is a motherfucking mess before you guys came along to show us out of the dark ages. Quit placing blame on Bush. Start looking for honest answers.

I've seen Obama at the DMC, I watched just like everyone else, albiet not with tears streaming down my puppy dog eyes. Just like everyone else, I wanted to know who he is. All it gave me is facts and not a god damn thing as to his character just he as he's always has done. Distant, obscure, vacant. Why the fuck would I want to know WHAT he is? It's better that I know the nature of a man. I was suprised when Obama said that McCain believes drilling is a long term solution. If that is what he views the McCain energy policy as? Well, he better get his talking points in order because he is about to get schooled by the oldest war-grisled motherfucker to ever run for POTUS.

Anyway, just some thoughts

[NickD]

It's crazy, but everyone in america needs representation. Representation is the principle on which our country is based. All people should have a voice from your far right religious, your too crazy for asylum paultards libertarians, Alaskan statesmen succeeders, & anarchists. . .okay maybe they don't count. - to your far left code-pinkests, oh so wonderful american nazi party socialists, KKK grand dragons of whatever. It's unfortunate but true, they too need representation. They may not represent the moderate bloc but they are part of america; [etc]

I agree. That's why I like the MMP system. But you're locking into the 2 party mindset. There's no reason why each of those groups can't be represented by their own party. There's no reason not to have 12 people running for president.

The only logical reason why groups have all formed together to form 2 large groups that don't necessarily agree on policy internally is to be competitive against the other party. And that really smacks of a lack of integrity to me on both sides. People willing to sell out their own ideals for a chance at power.

[HATEFACE]

Just out of curiosity, who in your family supports Liberman? He was always championed by the left as a traitor.

There are no moderate republicans in my family. It's almost entirely democrat, with a few misguided right wingers who watch Fox News wide-eyed and nodding to everything. However, I know many moderate Republicans (common in business) and they like Lieberman.

1. If we can maintain good relations with the Iraqis, we have another potential ally in the Middle East, and one on the border with Iran. Clearly, this can cut two ways but the possibility exists that we could end up with a favorable outcome.
2. A successful Democratic Iraq could serve as a model for other nations in the region. With greater liberties should come more prosperity for the Arab people.
3. But perhaps most importantly, we did what we said we would do (per the security council resolution that authorized military action), and that puts teeth to our words. This should serve as a deterrent for future confrontations by bringing adversaries to the bargaining table. Peace through strength.

Two big "if's" and one ROFL. What we showed isn't that we live up to our threats, it's that we are too weak to control a single country.

There are no moderate republicans in my family. It's almost entirely democrat[/i], with a few misguided right wingers who watch Fox News wide-eyed and nodding to everything. However, I know many moderate Republicans (common in business) and they like Lieberman.

Fox News is perferable to your droll social commentary and poor judgement of others. You believe they sit doe-eyed at the television screen absorbing all they need. No, they're just ignoring your ignorant ass. Better than to sit dumbfounded in front of you with utter disbelief of your 1950s fear of nuclear energy and oil drilling. No, you don't know the meaning of moderate republicanism/conservatism. Not all moderate republicans like Lieberman, we like him, but we don't like like him, if you get my drift. So its clear to me you view us as, "You poor dumb fools!! Don't you know that they're lying too you??!" or some other far left bullshit. *Places the blindfold over Mulu's eyes and puts ear muffs over his ears.*

Only thing left for your party to do is to cut out your tongue.

Also on a lighter note , the anarchists dowsed convention goers with bleach. Haz-mat needed to be called in. Anarchists?! Obama supporters?! You fucking bet your ass they are.

I don't think anyone was hurt but it was pretty riotious. Oh, MNPD brought in horses. Horses that weight 1,100 (500kg) or more, give or take 500lbs against a 150-180lb human? You do the math.

[HATEFACE]

It's crazy, but everyone in america needs representation. Representation is the principle on which our country is based. All people should have a voice from your far right religious, your too crazy for asylum paultards libertarians, Alaskan statesmen succeeders, & anarchists. . .okay maybe they don't count. - to your far left code-pinkests, oh so wonderful american nazi party socialists, KKK grand dragons of whatever. It's unfortunate but true, they too need representation. They may not represent the moderate bloc but they are part of america; [etc]

I agree. That's why I like the MMP system. But you're locking into the 2 party mindset. There's no reason why each of those groups can't be represented by their own party. There's no reason not to have 12 people running for president.

The only logical reason why groups have all formed together to form 2 large groups that don't necessarily agree on policy internally is to be competitive against the other party. And that really smacks of a lack of integrity to me on both sides. People willing to sell out their own ideals for a chance at power.

LOL! To be quite honest NickD, I like your views of old school european liberalism. I gotta say, I can't help but like it (we sorta based a country on it)
Uh, man but don't you get it? Palin supports succession! Pay attention to the smear tatic here, man! We can't support parties like that. . .

. . .Can we?

"As republican women, we know what we're doing, we know who we are, we ain't gunna take it, we're not gunna take it, and we will get with it, if you keep messing with us. You have a good day." - Deputy RNC Chair Renee Amoore.

That's right ladies, we'll be right behind you with our guns in hand! Clinging to them out of fear and ignorance just like Barack SNOBama says. . . Fear of the democratic party's ignorance. Hell! Might even kill a motherfucker or two. America seems a tad full of them atm, and let's face it, they seem readily eager to die. . .


. . .shit, I bet the lefties didn't even know there were conservative feminists. You thought lefty feminists were bad? Watch the fuck out for yourself. . .and your balls. . . If you still have them.

[sgould72]

http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mcca ... e_8644.php

Sorry to interupt the batsh*t crazy radicalism...just thought this was amusing.

[HATEFACE]

LOL that's brilliant. He sounds like McCain. "nice gams"

[Swift]

That they have no rights because they don't follow the american idealogy & and have deeply rooted anti-american sentiment.

Just what is the american ideology exactly?

People ask me, do I hate Bush for all he has done? No. I disagree with what specific people within the administration have done. it's one thing to create a scapegoat out of a president in order to curry political favor, is quite another to analyse a situation and place blame where it ought to be placed and correct the situation.

Except that the buck stops with him. He is the commander in chief, the leader of the country. He lives and dies by the decisions his administration makes. If his administration does something stupid, he has to wear that. If someone he has brought in makes a bad decision, it is every bit the presidents fault as it is theirs, especially when he backs them to the hilt despite their idiocy.

You cannot just wipe your hands and have all blame cast aside because "it wasnt me". Not when your the president. Not when your the public leader of any political party. It all comes back to them. In 100 years time, when they are teaching history, the kids aren't going to learn that in the early 21st century Dick Cheney the vice president sent America to war, it will be President Bush.

[Veilan]

Likes?? HAH. Member for 7 years isn't "like" baby.

Oh come on, how many ALFAns you know that are here for 7 years and actually like the place?


<literacy nazi hat>
Also, PD, forgive me if I'm not catching on some funny wordplay, but succession is what happens when the king dies, and succeeding is what germans do when engineering.
Secession is when you secede, say, from "the Union".
</literacy nazi hat>

[NickD]

You cannot just wipe your hands and have all blame cast aside because "it wasnt me".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMSfeAqSUc