Despite the scattered childishness, I'd say the forums are generally mature. Some immaturity has its place for comedic purposes...and with comedy, timing is everything.
There's some friendliness but there's alot more hostility I think. "One-upping"; attempts to make posters look bad, ignorant or silly.
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J.Madison
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And when they're accepted, it's visible. ALFA's dirty laundry should be hidden from non-members? We shouldn't have any to hide.Swift wrote:As i said in another thread, when you have people like Rotku, who are 150% behind our moderators, complaining about how the moderating is being carried out, and calling for a suspension of it until the guidelines are pubplicly posted, doesn't it make you think that the bitterness being displayed just might be for well founded reasons?
I was surprised when i saw Rotku posting against how the recent moderating blitz has been done, because i knew he was a strong supporter of moderating the forums.
No, that is why Off-Topic isn't visible to non members.J.Madison wrote:As to the poll....the forums are alot of things. Depends on the topic. I suppose a maturely presented religious topic from myself resulting in me being called a "f**king twat" is ok. Now that doesn't hurt me any but is that the type of discussion we want outsiders to see?
From what I've seen, the new mods are doing great and they shouldn't burn out if folks take the cue and be self-modding.
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Vendrin
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It isn't dirty laundry. It just isn't the place where the nicest side of people shows, which is whatever you get whenever people start talking about religion or politics. Espicially on the internet.J.Madison wrote:And when they're accepted, it's visible. ALFA's dirty laundry should be hidden from non-members? We shouldn't have any to hide.
Now once you join, nothing is forcing you to go there. Off Topic has been that way since the beginning. See no reason to change it now.
Bear's blitz didn't work, this one won't either.From what I've seen, the new mods are doing great and they shouldn't burn out if folks take the cue and be self-modding.
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Some people are dicks. Some people are cool.
Basically there are a core of about half a dozen people who get SO involved in debates that they basically seem to draw lines opposite each otehr and just peg away...no matter what the issue.
Compromise and degree do not exist to some of these people.
There is only their way and it's either black or white.
But thats only a few.
Some people are dicks. Some people are cool.
Basically there are a core of about half a dozen people who get SO involved in debates that they basically seem to draw lines opposite each otehr and just peg away...no matter what the issue.
Compromise and degree do not exist to some of these people.
There is only their way and it's either black or white.
But thats only a few.
playing Nathaniel Ward - Paladin of the Morninglord and devout of Torm (cookie cutter and proud of it)
It really varies from person to person and topic to topic, time of the day to time of the month to phase of the moon.
By and large I don't see any überly dramatic problems. I got yelled at for being an "alarmist" about some issues that, like, could ban people kick against their will, yet time and time again a big "omg we need to be the example of über political correctness or ALFAns will leave and t3h sky fall!!!111" push seems to be made, that seems highly exaggerated and in fact quite "alarmist" of its own.
Our boards are rather civil compared to most large communities out there.
So, neutral, as in "normal".
Cheers,
By and large I don't see any überly dramatic problems. I got yelled at for being an "alarmist" about some issues that, like, could ban people kick against their will, yet time and time again a big "omg we need to be the example of über political correctness or ALFAns will leave and t3h sky fall!!!111" push seems to be made, that seems highly exaggerated and in fact quite "alarmist" of its own.
Our boards are rather civil compared to most large communities out there.
So, neutral, as in "normal".
Cheers,
The power of concealment lies in revelation.
I fully support the moderators in whatever decisions they make. I like the opinions here, especially those agianst moderation Ie. It's been tried before and doesn't work, I like being immature and saying whatever I want no matter the repercusion...I think these people should have run for moderator so they could sit around and do nothing and spam and be immature all they want. As is, we have some people in the position that actually care about the volunteer job, and I fully back em. I myself have been moderated and take no offense to it what so ever...I don't have a big enough ego that it becomes a problem when I'm not heard. In fact, I usually delete my posts if I'm just not gettin through. Feel free to moderate this post. 
P.S. Go Ludo and FI!!!!
P.S. Go Ludo and FI!!!!
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<Castano>: danielnm - can you blame them?
<danielmn>: Yes,
<danielmn>: Easily.
"And in this twilight....our choices seal our fate"
Once again we're drifting to the extreme positions, egging each other on instead of finding a workable solution.
I think it is plainly clear that basically noone has a problem with moderators editting or deleting posts that contained attacks ad hominem, really nasty stuff, outright inacceptable language or say, child pornography.
However there is the problem of overreaction and making a mountain of a molehill. Instead of trying to project that we should have a board in which only perfect civility, no criticism and no disgruntlement at all exist, we should grasp the reality that that won't happen in a community this big and instead focus on not trying to hamper discussion and (heated) debate, but to guide it so it stays within acceptable boundaries.
Free for all spam and flame is just as bad as mod crackdown on anything deemed controversial, or to moderate on hidden rules for that matter, to deny the people that actually post here opportunity to either comply or voice their opinion.
I think it is plainly clear that basically noone has a problem with moderators editting or deleting posts that contained attacks ad hominem, really nasty stuff, outright inacceptable language or say, child pornography.
However there is the problem of overreaction and making a mountain of a molehill. Instead of trying to project that we should have a board in which only perfect civility, no criticism and no disgruntlement at all exist, we should grasp the reality that that won't happen in a community this big and instead focus on not trying to hamper discussion and (heated) debate, but to guide it so it stays within acceptable boundaries.
Free for all spam and flame is just as bad as mod crackdown on anything deemed controversial, or to moderate on hidden rules for that matter, to deny the people that actually post here opportunity to either comply or voice their opinion.
The power of concealment lies in revelation.
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FanaticusIncendi
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Meh. *shrugs* All i'm sayin' is that 26 out of 56 people find these forums to be immature and unfriendly. Apply those statistics to the larger base of members who did not vote or simply do not bother with the forums (as i did not for the better part of the 2 years i have been a member here) and the results are clear. It's not about political correctness or happy hippy fluffy bunnyisms, it's about basic civility, respect, and the ability to argue in a productive and non-personalized way.
So bicker and flame away if you will, in the end it is not so important for me because as a teacher I am used to dealing with immaturity and have a really thick skin- forum ridiculousness will never put me off playing- and as a player I don't particularly care about server density and am perfectly content to RP with one or two other people. But for all you people who want higher player density on the servers...think....those who are put-off by what goes on with the forums enough to drift away from ALFA as a player are not the ones who are going to be vocal about it- they will quietly fade away from these servers and you will continue to wonder why we can't attract and keep more players. To quote Mikayla: "We get the ALFA we deserve".
So bicker and flame away if you will, in the end it is not so important for me because as a teacher I am used to dealing with immaturity and have a really thick skin- forum ridiculousness will never put me off playing- and as a player I don't particularly care about server density and am perfectly content to RP with one or two other people. But for all you people who want higher player density on the servers...think....those who are put-off by what goes on with the forums enough to drift away from ALFA as a player are not the ones who are going to be vocal about it- they will quietly fade away from these servers and you will continue to wonder why we can't attract and keep more players. To quote Mikayla: "We get the ALFA we deserve".
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JaydeMoon
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Generally, many of the people who avoid the forums don't necessarily stay away from them... they check the forums now and again to see if there is anything important going on, they just refrain from posting.Alara wrote:Oh, and slightly off topic:
How are people of category 5 ("I avoid the forums...") supposed to be represented properly in this poll?
Over a hundred thirty people voted for Player Admin... a hundred thirty people don't regularly post on the forums.
Something I'm interested in finding out is why these polls were moved to the off-topic forum?
The main forum is ALFA / NWN/ D&D Discussion.
Did these polls not pertain to ALFA and therefore were ON-topic?