Party Roles

[Fionn]

RE: Party pChest

If you lot are talking an OOC area we can all store stuff (or have the OOC QM store stuff) while we sort things out, drop a pChest (and maybe some benches et al) in front of the Haven.

If you are talking an IC club house, obviously this is only for those that earn (and maintain) membership in said club. Seems Ponlin is fencing items just fine, so I see no IC desire for this on Ge'ish's part. It would make far more sense for someone(s) with the means to IC buy a place, then open up an Adventurer's Guild IC.

[Mikayla]

Darrow and Shein'n were probably going to go in on a place in WD. We could make it a small tavern/inn for the crew. If D is willing. I will have to ask him IC of course.

[Galadorn]

TIME is the issue with most of this . . YES its better RP and IC if the toons that want a particular item haggle it out . . .
but invariably and depending on how long the game has gone at least 3 of the "regulars" just want to get their share and log cause its WAY past their bedtimes.. and then tend to not get a fair split . . . . . and few want to deal with hanging on to the loot until the next time they are ALL together cause that may be the NEXT friday and then you spend a portion of your DM time haggling over the loot. Just because SOME people can be on EVERYDAY does NOT mean that those who only have time ONCE or TWICE a week are any less deserving of fair shares.


I would like to see the gold split and then regardless of value, any items portioned out to who may use them/need them best and THEN if that item is not perfect for that toon they can IC Trade with someone or sell the item or do what you want with it but they at least GOT a portion. The last thing I want to do after a 3 hour game is spend another hour haggling over something. IC yea thats what my toon would do but IRL I ain't got the time . And I invariably run into the hoarders that do not want ANY items sold or want to buy them all even when they or anyone in the current party cannot use a given item. The Idea of saving for characters yet to come just seems very Meta-gamy/Twinkie to me ...

I think a IC / In game list of the sort of gear each toon is seeking might be appropriate for later loot splits.

Because what someone OOC thinks a toon wants and what that toon IC wants may be two different things

Marisha : Seeks SOME bard items, +AC items, + stat Items,Stealth Items, and Wands if she can use them

Sorry Arianna, not having time to sort loot after a 2-3 hour dungeon crawl, does not seem right and in fact feels "Meta-y" to me to compromise the after-RP by finding a fast-track loot distribution system - I want everyone to be happy, and listing the items on the forum might help. Aren't we here mainly for the RP? No one who is there is less deserving and if time is so precious to have to log out immediately, then, it will have to take a little more time to get the loot maybe? In reality it's not that long after.

I have a feeling your comment about hoarders might mean Toliv, since he's the only one I saw offer to buy the sale value for gear a few times. It's not Meta-gamy or Twinkie at all... it's just smart.

By the way, the main reason Toliv does that is for the group, not to "twink" future PCs at all.
Another reason is Toliv is generous and both he IC (and Galadorn IRL) likes to give gifts to his friends. Is that a crime now? Will I be pegged a twinker? I always thought twinking truly meant about your own characters... all Toliv does is GIVE away things.

BUT.... The main reason he does it is he can afford it, and it makes absolutely no sense to lose an item forever when the exact same amount in sale can be paid by Toliv, and we keep the item at least with him for his own collection or hopefully for me, a nice friendly IC way to gift it off to someone, or sell it sure! All depends. If he meets a trusted Fighter who joins the group who has not got the gold for full plate, he might sell it half price. I really don't see the problem?

Most of all, we encounter rust monsters very often, no one can afford to replace big armor, at 1500 a pop, or 1865 a pop for lighter armor for spellcasting, like Toliv wears.

This exactly how it should be. Of course. But this is exactly what caused the problem last time, some people are trying to avoid, by designating one person to be a Quartermaster to "save time" or something by taking everything and handing it out as that 1 person sees fit. Not realistic certainly from an RP point of view IMO.

Not sure how that assumption got made. Yes, if there is a +1 Rapier that only two Characters want/can use, those two figure it out (possibly with input from the rest of the party if they won't). If there is a +2 whip that nobody can use (jebus, Badger would have used it) we can spend as much time as folk want IC discussing it, before deciding "well, we should probably sell that off and split the treasure".

In rare occasions, I can see the group deciding to hold a +2 Frostbrand Dire Mace for the guy that will be rolled up next to 'buy' from the party. Generally, we're too group for that to sound like a good idea to my PCs, but *shrugs*

OOC QM role would just be someone that cared to write it all down, make sure everyone had a voice in what they wanted (party vote, role off, whatever the method), and get the balance sold with some reasonable Appraise. At that point, we all know who to find to get our cut. Preferably this would be a *Player* who is on a lot with access to a pChest.

IC QM would be similar, but now we need to find a *Character* that is on a lot and everyone's *Character* trusts.

Always a pleasure Mr. McGregor, how can I quit the forums? You'd have no one to dig at everyday?!
And yes big items would be discussed, but there's a fine line sometimes, and decisions are made IC (I hope), and having 1 PC do it, based on "not enough time to RP it for 20 minutes after" even though we spent 3 hours running around the dungeon, seems way immersion breaking to me.... just my opinion. Not that anyone cares, but Iwould rather not a Q-master.

[Galadorn]

Since the topic of PChest and Clubhouse has come up.

Just to offer more help, Toliv has a big house. Lower level has separate keys that get inside the main entry room. In that first room is 2 hearths, 3 couches, 3 big chairs. You need a different key to get to the main house. Next to that room is a small room, with a SAFE. That safe also uses the same key that gets you into that first room/front door.

Toliv would offer the front door key to our group, which would give access immediately to that safe in the office connected to that front room on entry through the front door to his home.

The damn safe is already stocked with beer, spirits, wine and smokepipes and all the weed you can smoke. Plus it's a PChest for whatever the "Group" would like to hold there.

Be HAPPY to offer that out to the group if you want. Toliv is Neutral Good, and has shown he would not cheat anyone. Plus as a member of the Watch the house is quite safe, with plans for a 24 hour guard(s) to be posted there as soon as possible.

What else could we want for OUR "TEAM" hey?? sigh

.........also, i'm in game EVERY day. And am happy to hold any undecided loot the TEAM needs held, safely, even in more secure areas of the house in the upstairs level. And a quick PM to me would get me in game very often twice a day for me once would coincide with US time players.


Up to you lot now. The offer is there!

[Magile]

I don't think everyone is able to agree on one specific thing for a scenario like this. I know I'm getting a bit of a headache with the back and forth, since almost every option suggested has had at least one player, if not more, oppose the idea.

I hope everyone can figure out something satisfactory. I'll leave you all to it.

[Rumple C]

Can't create a poll myself, but it seems like a good idea.

(or 2 polls rather. 1 on party leadership, 1 on loot division)

[Arianna]

I always thought twinking truly meant about your own characters... all Toliv does is GIVE away things.

Twinking was always the giving of higher level gear to low level toons

so giving a +1 sword and platemail to a level 1 toon was considered twinking

[Galadorn]

Ok good to know. I have never done that, and would have not done that regardless. Plus level 3-4 in the first day is common core around here these days - so wouldn't happen even if i did consider it, which I wouldn't.

[ImStrokerAce]

Ok good to know. I have never done that, and would have not done that regardless. Plus level 3-4 in the first day is common core around here these days - so wouldn't happen even if i did consider it, which I wouldn't.

It's not anymore.

[Mikayla]

D and Shay may still buy a little tavern/inn/clubhouse if we can get it worked out with the DMs.


As for party roles, I found out tonight that Ai is like, WAY better at being a stealthy-scout than Shay (like 33% better in MS/H with better HP, and better fighting power). I think Shay's role in the party will be limited to tracking and serving ale at the clubhouse or something.

[Galadorn]

So Mikayla, not considering Toliv's offer then? (I expected that just needed the queue) I do realize you would want your own spot as well, of course, it's fun!
Just wondering if I should pursue the "24 hour guard" idea for the Manor. Do me at least the courtesy of saying a flat out: "No." so I don't waste your time and mine continuously offering it as a possibility (as perfect and immediate as it is ).
Hope the clubhouse works out for you. Luvs me persistent housing!

[Mikayla]

Its not OOC personal Galadorn, its IC personal. Darrow and Toliv don't get along, and Darrow is Shay's first and best friend.

No idea if this will actually be something we get done.

[Galadorn]

Got it (knew it). Toliv shall offer anyway.

EDIT: and edit edit! You mean to say Darrow does not get along with Toliv. Just in case anyone thought different.

[ayergo]

Ok, I got the party rolls!

Who is bringing the mountain dew?!?

[Ithildur]

So party rolls, erm, roles... what roles are currently needed/fulfilled?

I don't think everyone is able to agree on one specific thing for a scenario like this. I know I'm getting a bit of a headache with the back and forth, since almost every option suggested has had at least one player, if not more, oppose the idea.

I hope everyone can figure out something satisfactory. I'll leave you all to it.

lol some things never change... less than fond memories of loot distribution issues being rather effective at sucking the joy out of playing both as a player and DM when handled badly.