Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
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Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
I have seen alot of discussion about these two sublects and wanted to offer an idea.
What if a when a player decided to Retire a character, they were able to start a character a number of levels lower than there retiring level, for example 4 less than the retiring level. As a sideline to this, you sould roll in the ECL for starter levels to make it a little easer on those who decide to play them. EG a lv 8 retiring character could start a ECL 3 character at lv 2?
Just a thought.
What if a when a player decided to Retire a character, they were able to start a character a number of levels lower than there retiring level, for example 4 less than the retiring level. As a sideline to this, you sould roll in the ECL for starter levels to make it a little easer on those who decide to play them. EG a lv 8 retiring character could start a ECL 3 character at lv 2?
Just a thought.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
Welp, I know how this thread will turn out.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
cool idea, but....
There is a vocal portion of ALFA that will in essence say ...
"It took me 2 years to reach 5th level, It is therefore cheating or PGing for anyone else to reach this level with out having sacrificed the same as me."
Good luck really, it may be the "kiss of death" for your idea but I like it, it would of course need some refining and then testing...but I think it could work.
There is a vocal portion of ALFA that will in essence say ...
"It took me 2 years to reach 5th level, It is therefore cheating or PGing for anyone else to reach this level with out having sacrificed the same as me."
Good luck really, it may be the "kiss of death" for your idea but I like it, it would of course need some refining and then testing...but I think it could work.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
It's not the idea that I mind, but it it does leave me to wonder...
Why?
Don't you like playing at first level? And if so, wouldn't it be more constructive to lobby for more XP for everyone?
Why?
Don't you like playing at first level? And if so, wouldn't it be more constructive to lobby for more XP for everyone?

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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
our nwn1 world is basically just campaigns. There's really no reason commensurate latitude shouldn't be given to the DMs who are running those campaigns to start PCs at a level other than 1, or bring new PCs into campaigns at a level consistent with the campaign.
This runs against some very strongly held alfa values, but we need to get over that. This place is not what was envisioned, and some of those values are meant for a kind of play that just doesn't happen in nwn1 any more. Its not an ad-hoc place, it is a campaign place. Letting it be that doesn't threaten the kind of play in the nwn2 servers (which is much closer to the ad hoc play that was always the alfa assumption). Let the differentiation between the two that exists flourish.
To the nwn1 people...I'd say if you continue to be bound by a straightjacket that doesn't fit, take the playgrounds and go with your own PW. What support is alfa offering you that's so important that you have to continue to play the round peg trying to fit a square hole? Please don't interpret this as me saying you don't belong here because of you or that you are somehow undesirable, that's not it. What I am suggesting is that you take the initiative and cast off the shackles if no one else will do so.
This runs against some very strongly held alfa values, but we need to get over that. This place is not what was envisioned, and some of those values are meant for a kind of play that just doesn't happen in nwn1 any more. Its not an ad-hoc place, it is a campaign place. Letting it be that doesn't threaten the kind of play in the nwn2 servers (which is much closer to the ad hoc play that was always the alfa assumption). Let the differentiation between the two that exists flourish.
To the nwn1 people...I'd say if you continue to be bound by a straightjacket that doesn't fit, take the playgrounds and go with your own PW. What support is alfa offering you that's so important that you have to continue to play the round peg trying to fit a square hole? Please don't interpret this as me saying you don't belong here because of you or that you are somehow undesirable, that's not it. What I am suggesting is that you take the initiative and cast off the shackles if no one else will do so.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
Amen to that.fluffmonster wrote: This runs against some very strongly held alfa values, but we need to get over that. This place is not what was envisioned, and some of those values are meant for a kind of play that just doesn't happen in nwn1 any more. Its not an ad-hoc place, it is a campaign place. Letting it be that doesn't threaten the kind of play in the nwn2 servers (which is much closer to the ad hoc play that was always the alfa assumption). Let the differentiation between the two that exists flourish.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
I don't like the idea of giving people bonuses if they got their new character past X level. I don't know why, it just sounds wrong. Maybe it's because I have never got my character to a high enough level to have any benefit. Maybe because I think that each character is a new entity, and shoulnd't be effected by the previous character. If we were to go the route of allowing people to start above level 1, it would have to apply equally to everyone (NB: Not every platform, however - ie. NWN1 and not NWN2), not just a select few.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
haaaaaaaaaaaaahollyfant wrote:Don't you like playing at first level?
Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
First level is great fun. Best there is. Everyone should be forced to start at 1 with forced retirement or level cap at 999xp.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
E6 is the best D&D variant qtiyd
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
Very neat stuff, thanks for the link.Kest wrote:E6 is the best D&D variant qtiyd
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As to the topic of the thread, reminds me of the "Character Tree" in old Dark Sun, AD&D 2nd ed. Can't find those old books, but found someplace that summarized it at least.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
I am in support of anything that helps remove the drudgery of lv1.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
Wouldn't it be better just to allow NWN1 DMs to give increased amount of XP to push campaign players through low levels fast? That way they still experience levels and get a limited amount of development through those levels, yet quickly get enough to catch up to the campaign level.
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
For my soundboard... for NWN1 only.
I am opposed to starting PC's out higher than 1st level at the beginning of a campaign.
I am in favor of starting PC's out higher than 1st level in the middle of a campaign.
I am neither when it comes to xp awards being increased to catapult PC's through early levels.
Retirement should not bring benefit in itself. If one Retires a PC to take part in a campaign after the campaign is off the ground, I do approve bumping that PC's level up so that they aren't instatoast at the first encounter they come across.
I suppose if any still playing NWN1 has a problem with making it a bit easier for players to get in on the action by increasing the level as they enter a campaign, I guess they can go ahead and cut off their noses to spite their faces, right?
I am opposed to starting PC's out higher than 1st level at the beginning of a campaign.
I am in favor of starting PC's out higher than 1st level in the middle of a campaign.
I am neither when it comes to xp awards being increased to catapult PC's through early levels.
Retirement should not bring benefit in itself. If one Retires a PC to take part in a campaign after the campaign is off the ground, I do approve bumping that PC's level up so that they aren't instatoast at the first encounter they come across.
I suppose if any still playing NWN1 has a problem with making it a bit easier for players to get in on the action by increasing the level as they enter a campaign, I guess they can go ahead and cut off their noses to spite their faces, right?
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Re: Starting beyond lv1 and planetoouched races.
The thing that bums me out is having to fight rats and bats everytime you start a PC. The game has so many cool higher level enemies, which can be incorporated into great campaigns, but no one is every capable of facing them. I mean, you just can't have combat with a pit fiend at lvl1, it just doesn't work.
