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It is very uncool to publicly call out a group of people and then expect them to answer you privately. This is a sort of defamation of character. If you really wanted to keep it all private you would have sent each of us a PM instead of posting names in the forum. I can say with surety you did not PM me on this issue.

Now, since you did make this public, let me refute your accusation regarding myself by responding publicly.

I do not 'hate' Zicada. In fact I do not 'hate' anyone. Personally, I do not even dislike Zicada. Why? Because he's done nothing to me personally. He has never been anything but helpful to me.

This is not to say I have not seen and heard incidents of him being less than civil to others. I am not in the main chat channel very often and it is my understanding that most of the bad behavior occurs there. However I have witnessed the demeaning, marginalizing, sarcastic tone he often uses in the forums (and in one chat log someone sent me) and for the record I disapprove of it, just as I disapprove of the same tone from other key people in this community. I have never made any secret of my feelings on this matter, I simply do not make a stink about it anymore as I have mostly removed myself from most ALFA activities and from championing other people's causes in ALFA.

If anyone finds themselves feeling badgered and demeaned in such a situation, I encourage you to save the log and send it to the LA along with a formal complaint. That is the way such things should be handled and I certainly won't get in a snit over someone being treated poorly if they aren't willing to be proactive on their own behalf.

Now, in terms of myself being on Zic's list I will say that there is one incident which bothered me enough to make an inquiry about. However, I did not spread gossip about it. I spoke to a couple people close to me about it and then made an inquiry direct to the LA about it. I do not consider my looking into the incident "personal" against Zic in any way. I don't care if it was Zic or my very own Jayde, I would have been just as shocked and would have made the same inquiry as it relates to the arbitrary enforcement of rules on which our community is built (and I'm a LN kinda gal ;) ).

Quite simply, Zicada received an infra strike back in June. It is listed under "Record of Infra and PA Censure" in the PA department forum:
zicada (Infra, June 25 2008)
This was his first strike. Then, on August 30th, in this thread, the following was posted:
zicada is hereby receiving a warning strike for improper conduct and inappropriate remarks towards a member in private conversation.

As biased party, zicada had ceded the decision to LA (paazin).
I saw this last post about a month after it was posted, and remembered the former 1st strike. Looking back I confirmed it.

A warning is a warning. It is used as a way of letting a member know that they are out of bounds and affording them a little leeway in which they can realize their error and correct the behavior.

Once you receive a strike, you have already been warned. The next time you behave in a censurable manner, you get another strike.

Third strike gets you banned

Second strike makes you ineligible to run for admin position again.

Zicada had already received a first strike. He should have received a second strike, but didn't. Thus my inquiry.

The decision not to give Zicada a second strike was made because Admin did not want to risk him being unable to continue in the role of Infra Admin, because they feel they have no one else to do the job.

Regardless of whether their fears are valid or not (I say they are not but what do I know) the point is you don't get to make rules and then arbitrarily enforce them according to your whim or what someone can offer you. If you do, then you call into question the validity of all past and future decisions made based on those rules. It's a double-standard, and its hypocrisy. Period.

Since I received my response from the admin on this matter I made the decision not to publish the information, mainly because, well, I just don't really give a damn anymore. The only reason I'm writing this here is because Zicada essentially called me out and I am addressing his concern in the same manner he brought it up - publicly. My issue on this matter was not with Zicada, it was with an admin decision.
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In theaters now!

As an aside, historically we have had issues with getting people to stand for Infra, simply because most people don't have a clue on the technical side of things that the job involves. We didn't exactly have people falling over themselves to replace Hialmar.
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If someone sees something as wrong, indecent, silly, improper or uncool... why would they go right out and follow the exact same path? I guess because one no longer "gives a damn" about the situation and/or community in general, but this just seems like purposely fanning the flames -- a seemingly common trend amongst many folks these days. I expect this thread to be locked right quick, as it holds as little merit as the original thread; however, getting one's point across by acting exactly like the other person can cause some credibility, if any exists for the individual, to be lost (slightly or completely). Might be something for everyone to look into from now on.
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I see no flame-fanning here, simply clarifying facts. Take it as you will though *shrugs*
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Magile wrote:If someone sees something as wrong, indecent, silly, improper or uncool... why would they go right out and follow the exact same path? I guess because one no longer "gives a damn" about the situation and/or community in general, but this just seems like purposely fanning the flames -- a seemingly common trend amongst many folks these days. I expect this thread to be locked right quick, as it holds as little merit as the original thread; however, getting one's point across by acting exactly like the other person can cause some credibility, if any exists for the individual, to be lost (slightly or completely). Might be something for everyone to look into from now on.
Do you even know what you're talking about?

Because what Zic did and what FI is doing here aren't really comparable.

Zic publicly stated that FI was talking shit about him behind his back.

FI is publicly stating that she is not talking shit about him behind his back.

They are two totally different things. But it's good to see you joining me in the peanut gallery!
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LIES!

Just look at FI's avatar... It's made of flames!!! SHE IS FANNING FLAMES!!!....and most likely spinning flames around her body too. :D

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:shock: :shock:

Um ... this is creepy.

I posted that quote about the infra strike as "evidence" that Zic can go over the top...even recently...

But I had no idea that he hadn't received the strike...that was a really strange coincidence that I posted that. Weird.

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I like everybody and if you are actually an asshat I think you probably have redeeming qualities
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JaydeMoon wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about?

Because what Zic did and what FI is doing here aren't really comparable.

Zic publicly stated that FI was talking sh*t about him behind his back.

FI is publicly stating that she is not talking sh*t about him behind his back.

They are two totally different things. But it's good to see you joining me in the peanut gallery!
FI handled the situation on her own with my post, Jayde. Thank you for proving to me that you can never let her handle things and always must white knight for her. I beg to differ with you, but you'll argue tooth and nail regardless of the fact.
danielmn wrote:LIES!

Just look at FI's avatar... It's made of flames!!! SHE IS FANNING FLAMES!!!....and most likely spinning flames around her body too. :D

We need a pic of Serious Cat plz!
I think TT gave up on that after the "you-know-what" happened.
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lol

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Kest wrote:lol

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That was less about standing up for FI and more about pointing out what an idiot you are. :roll:
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This thread and the others make me giggle. I'd have a lot to say but Zic threatend me in chat to never speak Ill about ALFA or he'd ban me forever. Abusing your powers ftw. :roll:

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For clarification, the recorded measure taken regarding zicada, as agreed upon by LA paazin and me, was a warning, not a formal infrastructure strike.

My apologies for not having been clearer.
you don't get to make rules and then arbitrarily enforce them according to your whim or what someone can offer you. If you do, then you call into question the validity of all past and future decisions made based on those rules. It's a double-standard, and its hypocrisy. Period.
I take exception to this statement. There is precedence for warnings that are not strike-level, for instance by Wynna. The severity of a punishment for an infringement was, and is, up to those tasked with moderation to decide. Paazin and I concluded this was the best way to handle it after consulting all involved parties, and discussing several angles between us two. To call this decision double-standarded and hypocritical, is, frankly, insulting. I went to great lengths to assure that every party concerned by this was satisfied, and feel your attacks are unwarranted, baseless, and presented in a fashion and at a time not conveying an intent for genuine criticism.
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FI already had her say and this thread no longer servers any purpose.
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