Static Gold limits

Nalo Jade · Post by **Nalo Jade** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:50 pm

Sorry I couldn't think of any other way to do this other than having one thread for gold and one for exp.

What in your opinion is the maximum GOLD that a 1st level player should be able to gain from statics over the course of 1 week (assuming they are playing at the extreme high end maybe 4 hours a night X seven nights) 28 hours?

Same question but minimum instead.

Assuming that the average ALFAn plays 1/4 of that time, do you think the numbers you submitted divided by 4 is reasonable for static content?

to make this a little easier to see can I get someone to make a poll...

Which option best describes what level of static content rewards you find acceptable for the 7 hour a week player. [edit: the over is because I am assuming that the player could also get DM rewards]

over 1000 gp
over 750 gp
over 500 gp
over 250 gp
over 125 gp
over 50 gp

Nalo Jade · Post by **Nalo Jade** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:54 pm

FWIW, I am leaning toward 125

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:01 pm

Over Nine Thousand, Exclamation Mark.

Edit: To add a touch of seriousness, this is the type of thing Standards has grappled with for a long time, it is hardly new or exciting.

zicada · Post by **zicada** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:04 pm

I dont think there should be any static setting on this at all. There are too many variables involved. Not to mention the extra thrill of never 'knowing' what you might stumble into. Ideally, a static quest and a DM run event should feel as similar as possible to the player.

In other words; you're killing the 'fun' of the game by introducing too much stuff like this.

[edit] same goes for your other thread. You could have easily made this into ONE. Also, i doubt GD is the right venue for this discussion.

Thangorn · Post by **Thangorn** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:08 pm

Over 9000.

I am offended by your post. Clearly your PGing skills are better than mine.

I dont see the point in making another poll when ALFA standards are clear on this issue, gives me a headache just thinking about it.

It seems to me you are passionately interested in contributing to ALFA but dont have NWN2 Nalo. I have alot of non-toolset writing work to do for the Moonsea that you are welcome to contribute to.

Nalo Jade · Post by **Nalo Jade** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:18 pm

To clarify...

I am asking for this information for my own project, it is simply to get an idea of what the community thinks...

I have stayed up all night so maybe I am nuttier than usual but I don't see the harm in either... weighing in an honest opinion or ignoring the thread.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:22 pm

Nalo Jade wrote:I am asking for this information for my own project, it is simply to get an idea of what the community thinks...

If it is for a project external to ALFA, then i think publicly trying to gauge what the community thinks so you can later on point at your project and go "Everything you guys said you wanted is here" is very bad form.

If it is for an ALFA project then...just go read over the standards. There has been alot of public debate prior to now, and Standards have wrangled long and hard to find a balance which Admin and HDMs, for the most part, find acceptable. Your just rehashing what has already been worked out. If you think its wrong, toss it to standards with clear points on why you think it should be reconsidered. Until then any ALFA projects you may undertake (assuming you mean a server project) has to follow standards until they change.

Thangorn · Post by **Thangorn** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:26 pm

My apologies..

Since you were posting in the ALFA general discussion thread and talked about ALFAns playtime in your OPs, I assumed you were talking about ALFA.

I believed you were attempting to find a way to contribute to ALFA.

Once again, I apologise for my assumptions.

Nalo Jade · Post by **Nalo Jade** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:33 pm

lol this is funny.

I plan on building a server for ALFA. My orginal intentions were for Cormyr in NWN2 however it is looking more likely that it will be a new server for NWN1. This is just a part of my research.

I can see how "my own" project sounded like it would be a seperate entity from ALFA, thats not the case, sorry for the confusion. If I was to build my own project seperate of ALFA, I wouldn't ask ALFAn's what they wanted ... it is MUCH easier to just build whatever I "want".

I want to know what the community thinks.

I hope this clears things up.

[edit] and Thangorn, let me know what it is you are looking for, I'll be honest I am stretching myself pretty thin, but if I can help I will. PM me.

zicada · Post by **zicada** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:35 pm

Nalo Jade wrote:lol this is funny.

I plan on building a server for ALFA. My orginal intentions were for Cormyr in NWN2 however it is looking more likely that it will be a new server for NWN1. This is just a part of my research.

I can see how "my own" project sounded like it would be a seperate entity from ALFA, thats not the case, sorry for the confusion. If I was to build my own project seperate of ALFA, I wouldn't ask ALFAn's what they wanted ... it is MUCH easier to just build whatever I "want".

I want to know what the community thinks.

I hope this clears things up.

Again, if you're building an ALFA-mod, there are allready a ton of standards you will have to follow. How those came to be are mostly dead-horse'd afaik. Total bikeshed to keep going on about this.

fluffmonster · Post by **fluffmonster** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:37 pm

Go look at the standards. That's what we think, its the closest you're going to get to the consensus view. If there are particular people whose opinions you would like to hear, then just ask them directly.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:38 pm

Nalo Jade wrote:I want to know what the community thinks.

I hope this clears things up.

I hope this clears things up:

Standards

Standards. Its whats for dinner. It is the balance that Admin have accepted between what the community wants and what they believe retains the core feeling ALFA has always had. It is what you need to build by for an ALFA server, whether it is liked or disliked. Be creative as you want, but it must be done inside the guidelines, otherwise it will be pulled.

Dude, we appreciate your passion for wanting to contribute, but holy cow, what your asking is sitting right there in the wiki, and half a dozen posts have tried to tell you so. Sure, the standards may not be perfect, but they are the balance that has been struck through many long discussions on what we want ALFA to be. Some agree, some don't, but that is the way of all things.

Edit: For those interested, id have made the link bigger, but the forum doesn't like font size bigger than 24pt

Magile · Post by **Magile** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:45 pm

I think you have to see it from a different angle, Nalo.

We understand you want to make a difference in ALFA, defeat the evil forum bullies and ultimately win the game. It's a noble cause, and I'm sure many are behind you in your cause; however, you do it in a very poor manner. You make many threads that are unnecessary. For example, these two threads you made are covered in Standards, which is based off rules from PnP itself and the community -- there's a reason we have faith in Standards and fought so hard for it during the whole Rusty dilemma.

The issue not only stems from the numerous thread creations, but also the fact that you defend your threads by stating "it's for the community," or "private research," and chop up any nay saying and disapproval/annoyance to "bullying." You have made numerous complaints about the vocal people being the bullies (ie. the people who respond to your threads), but fail to realize the fact that you're asking the vocal people (ie. the people who post in threads) to cast their opinion/vote.

The best thing you can do at this point is either try to get into Standards and work there, or get the information you need on your project from Standards and begin working hard on your server without posting dead horse topics -- these include standard issues that are clearly defined, whether or not we want passwords on our server, and at this point, any moderation threads. It's tiresome to really see you bring up the same thing over and over again, your heart is in the right place but you're going about it in a terrible manner.

If any of this gets moderated, would the moderator please PM me as to why. I am not trying for a hostile tone, but rather give a reason for why these threads just don't end up going over well.

Thangorn · Post by **Thangorn** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:47 pm

Nalo Jade · Post by **Nalo Jade** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:59 pm

Magile wrote:I think you have to see it from a different angle, Nalo.

We understand you want to make a difference in ALFA, defeat the evil forum bullies and ultimately win the game. It's a noble cause, and I'm sure many are behind you in your cause; however, you do it in a very poor manner. You make many threads that are unnecessary. For example, these two threads you made are covered in Standards, which is based off rules from PnP itself and the community -- there's a reason we have faith in Standards and fought so hard for it during the whole Rusty dilemma.

The issue not only stems from the numerous thread creations, but also the fact that you defend your threads by stating "it's for the community," or "private research," and chop up any nay saying and disapproval/annoyance to "bullying." You have made numerous complaints about the vocal people being the bullies (ie. the people who respond to your threads), but fail to realize the fact that you're asking the vocal people (ie. the people who post in threads) to cast their opinion/vote.

The best thing you can do at this point is either try to get into Standards and work there, or get the information you need on your project from Standards and begin working hard on your server without posting dead horse topics -- these include standard issues that are clearly defined, whether or not we want passwords on our server, and at this point, any moderation threads. It's tiresome to really see you bring up the same thing over and over again, your heart is in the right place but you're going about it in a terrible manner.

If any of this gets moderated, would the moderator please PM me as to why. I am not trying for a hostile tone, but rather give a reason for why these threads just don't end up going over well.

hey its cool. [edit] I really do hope a moderator does not moderate it, I think your tone was fine, the only thing I can see is that it is slightly "off topic" but not completely. [end edit]

I don't understand it ... obviously... its not like my posts push some all important topic to below the radar, nor is it somehow mandatory that you take the time to read my posts, or even respond to them. Why not just ignore me?

When an Admin or Moderator tells me that a thread I posted should be removed I will. I will not delete a thread or stop posting questions to appease someone who simply need not take the time to read them.

So I thank you for your insight, and I DO see the point of it. I have been up all night with some kind of whacky insomnia and have just been keeping busy... I looked for the hard and fast ruling, I couldn't find it.

The standards wiki is "under development" ... Swifts "Link" is not a link, for me anyway.

So if someone wants to take the time to post a link to the place I should be looking I am VERY interested to see how standards has quantified this.

I am fully aware of the DM standards on wealth and exp...but I am assuming statics fall under a different umbrella?

I have received your opinions on whether or not these threads are of any value, please stop posting your disdain for the thread, if there is no interest they will not be made into polls and they will fall away in oblivion.

Thanks. feel free to PM me if you want I will read em.