New(er) Cleric Domains - PnP-like selections & ALFA

[Brokenbone]

I recall it was maybe on Foam's watch as TA that all kinds of PnP (Faerun) domains got added... and all the existing ones got their share of adjustments to spell lists, powers, etc.

Here was the big shiny list: http://www.alandfaraway.org/node/1661

Bottom of that list is I think an "old" list of what domains were okay for what deities. Maybe someday someone will edit those all to add Faiths and Pantheons domains, but with the recognition (and probably endless balance discussions) that some items on those lists were non-F&P, and even the new domains aren't necessarily comprehensive so there might be a net of deletions to some deities if luck was bad (i.e., well, I am removing this non-canon domain from the list... I'd add the Suffering domain if I could, but I can't so suck it, your list is now shorter.")

I am not sure if the current practice for ordering "off the menu" if you will is just to ask a patron DM or in absence of such, an HDM? Like to note in PC Bio? So if someone wanted a Lloth priestess, but wanted the new Spider domain (rather than currently listed: "chaos, darkness, destruction, evil, trickery "), is it really just a quick 1 on 1 approval to say "yeah this is a classic Lloth thing, see Faiths and Pantheons page 40, is there any problem if my nooblin priestess can turn spiders (presumably anything with the vermin racial type will get impacted?)"

Just something crossing my mind as I consider concepts for the October Ronan campaign, if I get stuck doing a cleric... might be fun to test drive something that wasn't on the menu previously.

So yeah, net of the question is "do you just do what you feel like and could justify based on sourcebooks" or do you need to notify or even seek approval from some relevant DMs to note in like a bio thread?

[Rumple C]

Back in the day when Rumple ruled...

There was a list created of the gods and current Alfa domains. Such a list was approved by the admin of the day. It included gods, domains, and favored weapons. I will find this list and post it for the benefit of all. It was meant to make it in to documentation, but... alas.

[FoamBats4All]

Wasn't my "watch" as TA, not sure what that was mentioned. But I did start the changes. Glad they were finished.

The padding/removing for a nice 4 domains per deity (or was it 4 deities for domain?) or whatever isn't tech's thing, that's homebrew DMA stuff.

[Brokenbone]

Ah, I thought timing was in your term, guess not!

If good info is forthcoming from Rumple, cool.

If it turns out such info is non-comprehensive (like "OMG I really wanted Scalykind and none of the deities list that, I needed to turn undead on Berrygobblers") then some of the "do I notify or get approval"" question may stand.

[Ithildur]

Damn clerics.

[Copper]

Damn clerics.

They give you healing and Offer Redemption. Or damnation with benefits. What's wrong with them?

~Copper

[Rumple C]

For what its worth, the list is below. Excel to here doesn't paste nicely, alas. A complete list of gods, their alignment, their favored weapon (and ALFA weapon given that we don't have some weapons in game (Eg, Ankh becomes mace)), followed by domains. Each God had a minimum of two domains currently in ALFA. Some domains listed (Craft, Family, Gnome, Halfling, Illusion, Mentalism, Metal, Nobility, Ocean, Renewal, Spell, Suffering, Trade, Tyranny) are not currently in ALFA.

Faiths and Pantheons (may 2002)

Diety Alignment Favored Weapon Domains (Highlighted Red = not in ALFA)

Major Dieties

Azuth LN Quarterstaff Illusion Knowledge Law Magic Spell
Bane LE Morningstar Destruction Evil Hatred Law Tyranny
Chauntea NG Scythe Animal Earth Good Plant Protection Renewal
Cyric CE Longsword Chaos Destruction Evil Illusion Trickery
Gond TN Warhammer Craft Earth Fire Knowledge Metal Planning
Helm LN Bastard Sword Law Planning Protection Strength
Ilmater LG Unarmed Strike Good Healing Law Strength Suffering
Kelemvor LN Bastard Sword Fate Law Protection Repose Travel
Kossuth TN Spiked Chain (Flail) Destruction Fire Renewal Suffering
Lathander NG Light or Heavy Mace Good Nobility Protection Renewal Strength Sun
Malar CE Claw Bracer (Dagger or unarmed) Animal Chaos Evil Moon Strength
Mask NE Longsword Darkness Evil Luck Trickery
Mielikki NG Scimitar Animal Good Plant Travel
Mystra NG Shuriken Good Illusion Knowledge Magic Rune Spell
Oghma TN Longsword Balance Charm Knowledge Luck travel Trickery
Selune CG Heavy Mace Chaos Good Moon Protection Travel
Shar NE Chakram (Shiruken) Cavern Darkness Evil Knowledge
Shaundakal CN Greatsword Air Chaos Portal Protection Trade Travel
Silvanus TN Maul (Warmace with Maul model) Animal Plant Protection Renewal Water
Sune CG Whip (Flail) Chaos Charm Good Protection
Talos CE Spear Chaos Destruction Evil Fire Storm
Tempus CN Battleaxe Chaos Protection Strength War
Torm LG Greatsword Good Healing Law Protection Strength
Tymora CG Shuriken Chaos Good Luck Protection Travel
Tyr LG Longsword Good Knowledge Law Retribution War
Umberlee CE Trident (Spear) Chaos Destruction Evil Ocean Storm Water
Uthgar CN Battleaxe Animal Chaos Retribution Strength War
Waukeen TN Nan-chaku (Flail) Balance Knowledge Protection Trade Travel

Other Dieties

Akadi TN Heavy Flail Air Illusion Travel Trickery
Auril NE BattleAxe Air Cold Evil Storm
Beshaba CE Scourge (Flail) Chaos Evil Fate Luck Trickery
Deneir NG Dagger Good Knowledge Protection Rune
Eldath NG Net (Flail) Family Good Plant Protection Water
Finder Wyvernspur CN Bastard Sword Chaos Charm Renewal Scaly kind
Garagos CN Longsword Chaos Destruction Strength War
Garagauth LE Dagger Charm Evil Law Trickery
Grumbar TN Warhammer Balance Cavern Earth Metal Time
Gwaeron Windstrom NG Greatsword Animal Good Knowledge Plant Travel
Hoar LN Javelin (Spear) Fate Law Retribution Travel
Istishia TN Warhammer Destruction Ocean Storm Travel Water
Jergal LN Scythe Fate Law Repose Rune Suffering
Lliira CG Shuriken Chaos Charm Family Good Travel
Loviatar LE Scourge (Flail) Evil Law Retribution Strength Suffering
Lurue CG Spear Animal Chaos Good Healing
Milil NG Rapier Charm Good Knowledge Nobility
Nobanion LG Heavy Pick (Warhammer with pick model) Animal Good Law Nobility
Red Knight LN Longsword Law Nobility Planning War
Savras LN Dagger Fate Knowledge Law Magic Spell
Sharess CG Claw Bracer (Dagger or unarmed) Chaos Charm Good Travel Trickery
Shiallia NG Quarterstaff Animal Good Plant Renewal
Siamorphe LN Light Mace Knowledge Law Nobility Planning
Talona CE Unarmed Strike Chaos Destruction Evil Suffering
Tiamat LE Heavy Pick (Warhammer with pick model) Evil Law Scaly kind Tyranny
Ubtao TN Heavy Pick (Warhammer with pick model) Balance Planning Plant Protection Scaly kind
Ulutio LN Spear Animal Cold Law Ocean Protection
Valkur CG Cutlass (Scimitar) Air Chaos Good Ocean Protection
Velsharoon NE Quarterstaff Death Evil Magic Undeath

Drow Pantheon

Ghaunadaur CE Warhammer Cavern Chaos Drow Evil Hatred Slime
Kiaransalee CE Dagger Chaos Drow Evil Retribution Undeath
Lolth CE Dagger Chaos Drow Evil Darkness Destruction Spider Trickery
Selvetarm CE Heavy Mace Chaos Drow Evil Spider War
Vhaeraun CE Short Sword Chaos Drow Evil Travel Trickery

Dwarfish Pantheon

Abbathor NE Dagger Dwarf Evil Luck Trade Trickery
Berronar Truesilver LG Heavy Mace Dwarf Family Good Healing Law Protection
Clangeddin Silverbeard LG Battleaxe Dwarf Good Law Strength War
Deep Duerra LE Battleaxe Dwarf Evil Law Mentalism War
Dugmaren Brightmantle CG Short Swrod Chaos Craft Dwarf Good Knowledge Rune
Dumathoin TN Maul (Warmace with Maul model) Cavern Craft Dwarf Earth Knowledge Metal Protection
Gorm Gulthyn LG BattleAxe Dwarf Good Law Protection War
Haela Brightaxe CG Greatsword Chaos Dwarf Good Luck War
Laduguer LE Warhammer Craft Dwarf Evil Law Magic Metal Protection
Marthammor Duin NG Heavy Mace Dwarf Good Protection Travel
Moradin LG Warhammer Craft Dwarf Earth Good Law Protection
Sharindlar CG Whip (Flail) Chaos Charm Dwarf Good Healing Moon
Thard Harr CG Spiked Gauntlet (Unarmed) Animal Chaos Dwarf Good Plant
Vergadain TN Longsword Dwarf Luck Trade Trickery

Elven Pantheon

Aerdrie Faenya CG Quarterstaff Air Animal Chaos Elf Good Storm
Angharradh CG Spear Chaos Elf Good Knowledge Plant Protection Renewal
Corellon Larethian CG Longsword Chaos Elf Good Magic Protection War
Deep Sashelas CG Trident (Spear) Chaos Elf Good Knowledge Ocean Water
Erevan Ilsere CN Short Sword Chaos Elf Luck Trickery
Eilistraee CG Bastard Sword Chaos Charm Drow Elf Good Moon Portal
Fenmarel Mestarine CN Dagger Animal Chaos Elf Plant Travel
Hanali Celanil CG Dagger Chaos Charm Elf Good Magic Protection
Labelas Enoreth CG Quarterstaff Chaos Elf Good Knowledge Time
Rillifane Rallathil CG Quarterstaff Chaos Elf Good Plant Protection
Sehanine Moonbow CG Quarterstaff Chaos Elf Good Illusion Knowledge Moon Travel
Shevarash CN Longbow Chaos Elf Retribution War
Solonor Thelandria CG Longbow Chaos Elf Good Plant War

Gnomish Pantheon

Baervan Wildwanderer NG Spear Animal Gnome Good Plant Travel
Baravar Cloakshadow NG Dagger Gnome Good Illusion Protection Trickery
Callarduran Smoothhands TN Battleaxe Cavern Craft Earth Gnome
Flandal Steelskin NG Warhammer Craft Gnome Good Metal Strength *Given Strength domain to allow for 2nd domain
Gaerdal Ironhand LG Warhammer Gnome Good Law Protection War
Garl Glittergold LG Battleaxe Craft Gnome Good Law Protection Trickery
Segojan Earthcaller NG Heavy Mace Cavern Earth Gnome Good
Urdlen CE Claw Bracer (Dagger or unarmed) Chaos Earth Evil Gnome Hatred

Halfling Pantheon

Arvoreen LG Short Sword Good Halfling Law Protection War
Barndobaris TN Dagger Halfling Luck Travel Trickery
Cyrrollalee LG Quarterstaff/Club Family Good Halfling Law
Sheela Peryroyl TN Sickle Air Charm Halfling Plant
Urogalan LN Flail Earth Halfling Law Protection Repose
Yondalla LG Short Sword Family Good Halfling Law Protection

Mulhorandi Pantheon

Anhur CG Falchion Chaos Good Strength Storm War
Geb TN Quarterstaff Cavern Craft Earth Protection
Hathor NG Short Sword Family Fate Good Moon
Horus-Re LG Khopesh (Scimitar) Good Law Nobility Retribution Sun
Isis NG Dagger Family Good Magic Storm Water
Nephthys CG Whip (Flail) Chaos Good Protection Trade
Osiris LG Flail Good Law Plant Repose Retribution
Sebek NE Spear Animal Evil Scaly kind Water
Set LE Spear Air Darkness Evil Hatred Law Magic Scaly kind
Thoth TN Quarterstaff Craft Knowledge Magic Rune Spell

Orcish Pantheon

Bahgtru CE Spiked Gauntlet (Unarmed) Chaos Evil Orc Strength
Gruumsh CE Spear Cavern Chaos Evil Hatred Orc Strength War
Ilnevel NE Longsword Destruction Evil Orc Planning War
Luthic NE Claw Bracer (Dagger or unarmed) Cavern Earth Evil Family Healing Orc
Shargaas CE Short Sword Chaos Darkness Evil Orc Trickery
Yurtrus NE Unarmed Strike Death Destruction Evil Orc Suffering

[Rumple C]

Some NWN2 only domains (not canon) will not be on the list, and should not be selected.

[Rumple C]

If anyone wants a copy of the excel sheet, fire me your email, and i'll send one through.

[Rumple C]

Or this.

Viewable through google drive. Possibly downloadable, i dunno.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4e9zRQ ... sp=sharing

[Brokenbone]

Thanks. Yeah, okay, so that includes all the F&P stuff, even if it happens to be irrelevant for ALFA, which is fine. So a Gnome cleric of Urdlen could take Hatred (we got that!) but not Gnome (possible in PnP, but not in our haks). Cool. I also see all the Mulhorand gods mentioned which that ALFA page listed above didn't list out... I thought ALFA added Amauntor at some point, maybe not though. Not interested enough to pursue though, I think I have the info I need for options. Thanks.

[Rumple C]

Its the master list that would be used IF we had all the pnp domains in alfa. Which we don't. Exceptions (missing domains in alfa) are noted above. Each god has at least 2 (in alfa) domains for selection. One Gnome god had str added as a domain (with approval from DMA) so he had 2 available domains. List is from F + P and other relevant FR publication(s) whos names I do not recall without access to the admin thread discussing it.

Not all (fringe) gods are in ALFA, eg Mulhorandi, but if they were... list would be used for them.

[Zelknolf]

The new cleric domains were released in v1.89, with Ronan as TA-- though the released haks were what I had completed in my previous term. So if there's questions about how it works or such, I'd probably be the better person to ask.


I would note, though, that the entire point of producing those domains was to remove the need for the old lists-- that is, everyone can make a cleric of every deity and have domains (which aren't the ones so hideously broken that even OE dropped them, like Fury).

[Ithildur]

Damn clerics.

They give you healing and Offer Redemption. Or damnation with benefits. What's wrong with them?

~Copper

http://deltasdnd.blogspot.com/2008/02/t ... erics.html


Sorry, meant to say 'Blasted Clerics!'

[Brokenbone]

More a technical question now - does Scalykind domain's "turn animals like undead" power actually do anything in game? Rolled up a potential 2nd PC, I had wondered if there'd be a feat to drag off the character sheet about that topic to the quick-bar thing, and there wasn't. Unless just clicking the "regular" turn undead does some kind of checking if you're a scaly guy (or elemental turning guy or spider turning guy or whatever, several domains talk about "you can turn (something else!)")

If it's RP only that's good to know too, with thanks.

I could at least tell the spell list even at 1st was working out (like getting Magic Fang available from Scaly list...)

EDIT: I can't really understand the "guts" of Github that well, but I'm taking a guess that clicking the plain old Turn Undead button means a check is run to sort of say "hey have you got the Scaly domain, then you can do animals too!" (same kind of thing with vermins and oozes). So yeah, maybe if I am reading this right, the idea is "if you really want to turn some berrygobblers and bunnies, just click the Turn Undead button buddy."

https://github.com/ALandFarAway/ALFA-Ba ... fcdf619d62