The Answer to "WHY"

[Lady Crankenstein]

Why would a player who loves most of all to RP, does not care about leveling, does not care about much else... go on a killing spree, upsetting other players, and Dms? . . . and even risk being banned?

I deeply appreciate all the help, consideration and guidance from each of the players who took the time, efforts and resources to help me as a new player to develope, learn and grow. To them I owe much, and none of this applies to any of you.

Mentors mean a lot. One of my new mentors, was just killed by 2 fireballs to the back from a Dm who was involved in some kind of Dm event… that my mentor was NOT involved in. OK, accidental killing, inadvertent error, operator oversight, what ever… I just hope it was not a convenient way to eliminate a player, ( as I see yet another post may refer to ). . . you decide.
When my mentor asked about being dead for no reason that he could understand, he got refusal, no help, no explanation, nothing but time to reroll.

I know how much time it takes to develop a char in ALFA and it takes some dedication, and even, in some cases, giving up other things to be here. It seems to me, that if there is no appreciation for each other and what we all put into this, then something is very wrong.

That night, I checked to see that there was a Dm on, and there was. I fully expected any and all damages would be fixed within minutes, and it was. I even sent tells to the Dm every step of the way, each time we hit another player… did anyone listen?… not until the screaming started.
Yes, I do find it predictable and odd that on one hand, well known players were all fixed within minutes, all restored, except for the 5-10 minutes of anguish they suffered,( and I publicly apologize to each of you for that )…. While even now, my mentor has STILL not been helped, assisted, restored, …. Nothing…

Sooo…. Did anyone get the message???? Does anyone care ?

Yes, yes, I know there are long and legalistic ways to deal with this kind of thing that are more red tape than it took to put on the Chinese Olympics …. But, in fact, I helped my mentor get his due attention the only and best way I know how…. ROLE PLAY.

I also , understand that by a full confession of intent here, it leaves the issue of tolerance and forgiveness off the table. Do whatever you must. Just try to remember what the hope and intent was.

Play well, play often… and consider the little guy.

Lady Crankenstein

[SwordSaintMusashi]

Well, since you're going to throw around accusations, let's try and nip this in the bud, shall we?

I watched as a PDM during this event when Hexarc got bombarded by fireballs from behind. He was in a dangerous area, that the forums have been lauding for days was filled with undead. But let's ignore that and just go straight to the fireball part.

He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That kind of thing happens, unfortunately, in the ALFA world. It was no attempt by a DM to "assassinate" someone's PC. You give the DM far too much credit in thinking we care enough to hate any single PC enough to go out of our way and kill them, and inevitably start the sh*t storm this is becoming.

As far as your killing spree, you messaged a DM and got no response. Let's no stop to consider those DMs were in the middle of not one, but TWO events involving multiple players and having to juggle many tasks at once. You PM a DM to start CvC with another player? You have some freaking patience and wait for a reply.

The people restored were two PCs you gunned down for no reason than just walking by them, which is a breech of ALFA's CvC rules in the first place. Not because they were "well known". Hell, one of them is a fairly new player to ALFA come from Exodus.

So yes, play often. But YOU take the time to consider YOUR actions on others.

~SSM

[Heero]

For the record: Ive been killed in a DM event by being near simultaneously hit with a fireball that brought my PC to -6 then an ice storm that finished him off before anyone could apply helaing to stop the bleeding. It happens, and while it isnt DM intended it should stick. If you are in a dangerous area fighting dangerous things, then you should be willing to accept the possible deadly outcome which, tbh, is what makes adventuring exciting and rewarding.

[oldgrayrogue]

It sounds like you are saying you had your PC go on this IG Killing spree to get some attention? As some kind of form of protest? Seriously? If you consider that to be roleplay, its not. It seems it was a totally OOC action taken because you were upset with the fact that your friend's PC got killed in a way you believe was not warranted or fair. Or worse, paranoia that DMs are out to get your friend's PC. Sorry, but if that is what you were doing it sounds like really immature behavior.

We have ALFA Representatives and a Player Admin to address issues like this. If anyone feels a DM has treated them unfairly, and will not address their concerns, there are many avenues to follow in ALFA to resolve such a dispute. You can contact the server HDM, DMA, PA or an ALFA representative. All that requires is a PM or a quick chat on IRC -- not so onerous IMO. But as SSM suggests, have some patience. Believe it or not, the DMs, Admin and other volunteers in ALFA do the right thing by players more often than not. We especially care about new players and their experience in ALFA. You may think its "red tape" but its the mature and decent thing to do. Going off half cocked causing OOC drama and ruining other player's game to "make a point," while it may have given you some satisfaction, is really not cool.

[johnlewismcleod]

What OGR said. DM's aregenerally very busy when they are IG...be patient and respectful and things work out fine. If you really believe a DM is mistreating you (as unlikely as this notion is), chat with an ALFA rep.

[Ronan]

I'll go ahead and paste the same thing I told Rotku here:

Oh, so thats how he died. I guess the other PCs let him bleed out after the second fireball KOed him?

This was the first group of undead I spawned as part of their attack on Tempus's Tears. Like many of the groups, it included two 'undead mages', these are 'mini-liches' paazin made with bludgeoning/X DR and up to 3rd-level spells. They generally open up with fireballs and have a 40 or 45m perception range.

I spawned and moved (slowly, as movement of large groups of NPCs is not a quick process in NWN2!) this group of undead from the ruined keep in the area. At this time the PCs were pretty far from Tempus's Tears and the mages must've targeted Hexarc first. The other undead were melee types and probably charged to attack the non-KO'd PCs.

I didn't know Hexarc was dead until he sent me a tell a while later asking if it looked like anyone was going to raise him. I told him I didn't know as at that time I didn't know he was dead. A bit after that he asked again, and I said it didn't look like a raise was in the works.

If the player was AFK or not paying attention as he seems to indicate here, I probably would've restored him to a stable KO'd status and placed him somewhere in the hills for the other PCs to find. I didn't know this at the time, however. If he'd told me it got lost in the walls of text.

As for the tells warning me of CvC, I was very busy and the tells were not clear what was going on. I did not see anything to the effect of "I'm about to CvC someone". I was informed of the CvC by the CvC'd players, not you. I did not respond immediately because of this, and because I was busy with a player group. When I was done with a 6+ hour session, I responded.

There were 15+ players on that night. Even when I'm not running anything at all, 15 players means I get a constant stream of tells and DM channel chatter. It demands constant attention, and while I don't find it as exhausting as I used to, it seriously impacts my ability to respond to events.

This is the whole problem with rampant murdering PCs: they demand and require DM attention, effectively stealing it from other players or things the DM would rather be doing.

[Heero]

Wait, wait, wait; hold the phone; back on up a moment; *beep**beep**beep*...

Am I now understanding properly that the sequence of events was as follows:

1) Your friend's PC died.
2) You and your friend felt frustrated as though you were being wronged with your fun being intentionally ruined.
3) You and your friend decided the best course of action was to roll new PCs with the sole intention of ruining the fun of others in retaliation.

My word!

[dergon darkhelm]

Well. I can give a minimal IC perspective on the death of Hexarc.

I was in party with 4 others out in Tempus Tears. Undead were known to be swarming the area and numerous NPC had already been killed in the attacks. Our party leader was excitied to move out toward the ruins from the village as this was thought to be the source of the undead. So went headed out.

As we crested the hill we saw a lone PC out between us and the ruins, There was some RP to the effect of "Isn't that the Thayan?" and "Good. We'll see if he'll come with us".

As we hit the bottom of the hill, just getting close enough to Hexarc to start talking, the battle started up in full force. I was standing not far from the PC as the fireballs rained in (thank god for improved evasion). He was fugued fast and early. Dead. Battle ensued and numerous other PCs came close to going down too. I'm pretty good about watching for people getting dead around me and trying to get off healing to them. No chance here. He got wiped but powerful undead wizards.

We RPd dragging his carcass back to the village and there it sat as wave after wave of undead came at us for the next number of RL hours.

I have no special knowledge of any extenuating circumstances (if any exist), but what I saw was an IC death of a PC who got taken down in the first wave of an undead assault.
The death was RPd as IC in some detail.

[johnlewismcleod]

Wait, wait, wait; hold the phone; back on up a moment; *beep**beep**beep*...

Am I now understanding properly that the sequence of events was as follows:

1) Your friend's PC died.
2) You and your friend felt frustrated as though you were being wronged with your fun being intentionally ruined.
3) You and your friend decided the best course of action was to roll new PCs with the sole intention of ruining the fun of others in retaliation.

My word!

It is mind-boggling, isn't it?

I for one am done with this thread.

Very, very sorry Rotku...I can only say that I feel for you, mate

[Audark]

Nevermind, wall of unnecessary text

[Rotku]

I'm done with this thread too. It should haven't been started.