Dead!

[CloudDancing]

So by Dm rule El, Mica, Lanaria, and Maer are dead. I am not sure what Mick or Ronan is planning but I am going to wait awhile before I make a new PC.

Curmudgeon has said that due to the fact they are war with Orcs their bodies could be recovered and attempts to raise them happen. BUT that means that has to be coordinated and communicated IC. And I can't help you with that.

(on a side note, rumors I caused this is entirely untrue. There were a number of factors and none of them were Elrien-based.)

[Ronan]

The cause of the deaths was miscommunication, likely player-player and DM-player. Any other contributing factors are inconsequential compared to the monumental misunderstanding required to attempt to fight the mobs that killed us.

[Gebb]

Please post accounts of the fateful adventure and tragic end! Here, or tavern rumors, or wherever. Hearing the tale from the different perspectives of those there would be really interesting, and highlights the chaos and confusion of battle. It's a story a lot of people would want to hear, and will be a fitting farewell to those PCs retired the hard way.

Hoping to read more soon!

[Darkmystic]

Well Ronan, it happens and then you die, happens to the best of us.

[Blindhamsterman]

Please post accounts of the fateful adventure and tragic end! Here, or tavern rumors, or wherever. Hearing the tale from the different perspectives of those there would be really interesting, and highlights the chaos and confusion of battle. It's a story a lot of people would want to hear, and will be a fitting farewell to those PCs retired the hard way.

Hoping to read more soon!

yeah, i'd certainly enjoy the read of that final fight as written from each PCs perspective, could even be interesting to write up if done as an IC story

[Ithildur]

Curmudgeon has said that due to the fact they are war with Orcs their bodies could be recovered and attempts to raise them happen. BUT that means that has to be coordinated and communicated IC. And I can't help you with that.

(on a side note, rumors I caused this is entirely untrue. There were a number of factors and none of them were Elrien-based.)

A Resurrection (the lvl 7 spell, not Raise Dead, not True Resurrection) from a powerful priest's intervention may be a possibility due to the efforts of PCs last night; this in itself could lead to some interesting RP and/or questing.

As for the rumors, afaik there were two people who were under the impression Elrien was one of the folks that started a chain reaction; one was present at the fiasco and one (myself) wasn't. If we're mistaken then we're mistaken, but two people isn't exactly a rumor so I wouldn't lose sleep over this.

I am however, genuinely concerned about the pattern of other things we discussed which can cause utterly stupid needless TPKs. I think it's evident stupid needless TPKs are not enjoyable for players OR DMs.

To be frank if we were being hardcore IC there would have been certain IC discussions multiple times by now.

[CloudDancing]

*ahem* the consensus of the people who were there and the logs beg to differ. We have already determined this blame throwing was just a flailing attempt to distract from the true mistakes made.

Consider the simple marching order had Maer (at a long distance), Mica, Keren, Elrien, Nek, Aslinn, and Lanaria. Maer was in combat long before the rest of the part left the entry AT. Once that happened combat did not stop happening. I watched it on the map. One after one they attacked after seeing Maer in stealth. We ran up to Maer to help him. Ask Ronan to see his logs if you are so dubious.

So the past really is'nt an issue if my past mistakes had nothing to do with it. And if anyone had a lick of integrity the would apologize to me immediately for being such an a**-hole and not dealing with death better.

[Adanu]

So Laniara didn't fireball the party to death?

[Heero]

I blame jmecha for all IC deaths.

[rorax]

Seriously asking , what is the purpose of this thread ?

[Heero]

Its purpose is clearly for naming names.

[Ithildur]

I don't understand the need to respond defensively. I said clearly that if in fact I or anyone else is mistaken then we're mistaken. If you're right, then there's no need to say stuff about logs or marching orders, and I'd rather not see this 'he said'/'no way, she said' degenerate further here.

I probably shouldn't have brought up the 'concern of pattern'. I know better now.

I predict thread lock in three... two... one...

[Ronan]

So Laniara didn't fireball the party to death?

No, Laniara died trying to recover bodies after the battle.

Basically what happened was:

• My PC scouted cave A, found a group or two of black-painted orcs. Wasn't spotted.
• PCs enter cave B, a bowshot south of cave A (but in the western part of the in-game area), speaking with a half-orc defector NPC.
• NPC gives location of a cave C in the mountains to the west where the black orc leader is located. NPC says we'll all die if we go there; we believe her (having one PC with a very high sense motive score, and the half-orc having seemingly no reason to lie).
• DM logs out, PCs decide to clear out cave A as its close to town.
• My PC had no idea the orcs he'd seen in cave A were leaders.
• Cave A == Cave C, and the orcs inside are stronger than any we'd seen before. They roflstomp us.

I'm not really interested in writing up anything on it.

[Darkmystic]

Well my own character Rugnar died fighting ogres that clearly didnt have ogre stats *shrugs* Best just live through it and reroll.

[rorax]

Still now sure what this thread is about.....if it's about resurrection possibility, then wouldn't it be non relevant to most of the dead toons who were elves? i'm not elven culture expert but as little as i know, isn't it against their culture to raise their dead?

Or , taken from another thread here:

Fflar was killed on 15 Flamerule 714 DR in the Fall of Myth Drannor, after which he went to Arvandor, but he was resurrected by Seiveril Miritar on 20 Ches, 1374 DR, in order to take up Keryvian in battle against the daemonfey invasion of Faerûn.

And AL's replied:

For what it's worth, the high priest of Corellon who performed that True Rez knew fully well that he was violating traditional elven culture; it was performed in secret, with the elven hero brought back for a particular goal (the retaking of Myth Drannor) which the priest believed was Corellon's will. Even after bringing him back, Fflar's identity was kept secret from all but a very chosen few in the elven expeditionary force, presumably because it would have caused widespread outrage.

Personally, i had one toon who had IC resurrection, my first serious PC in ALFA. He died in questionable PVP , and admins back then rather to stick with it IC instead of going for tech rezz or roll back. Waited around three months until things were solved IC to bring him back from the death(Just ask OGR about it), but after that, i quickly discovered that it wasn't the best choice for the toon IC and he somehow "lost" it's charm and core after that event. I retired him few months later when i realized it's just stretching the end.

I know it's personal choice for everyone, and people invested lot of time in their toons and want to stick with their friends and playing buddies instead of just letting it go and start from scratch. i have no problem with people who will always choose IC raise because their toons are dear to them, I just bring another perspective looking on things.

(There is something charming and appealing to see a group of friends questing, sacrificing and risking themselves to raise their low level friend)


In the good(and few) FR novels i've read, true heroes(or anti heroes) remain dead - thats how i would try to portrait my toons, so i know i won't go for IC resurrection, but again - it's personal perspective.

Regarding racial traditions, i think if there is such against resurrection it's something that should be considered IC.