A Land Far Away

Nothing like a deadline to spur work on. These are somewhat tentative, but should provide a good guideline for rolling a cleric in ALFA Live. We've assembled a list of three to five domains per diety for all those listed in Faiths and Pantheons. At times, we've added additional domains from those available in NWN2 or MotB to supplement when the choices were too few (or to simulates ones that are unavailable otherwise).

Here is the list:

• GREATER POWERS:
  
  Azuth -- Knowledge, Law, Magic
  Bane -- Evil, Fury*, Destruction, Law
  Chauntea -- Animal, Earth, Good, Plant, Protection
  Cyric -- Chaos, Evil, Destruction ,Trickery
  Eilistraee -- Chaos, Darkness*, Good, Travel*
  Gond -- Earth, Fire, Knowledge, Magic*
  Helm -- Law, Protection, Strength
  Illmater -- Good, Healing, Law, Strength
  Kelemvor -- Law, Protection, Travel, Undeath*
  Kossuth -- Destruction, Fire, Fury*, War*
  Lathander -- Good, Protection, Strength, Sun
  Lolth -- Chaos, Evil, Darkness, Destruction, Trickery
  Malar -- Animal, Chaos, Evil, Strength
  Mask -- Darkness, Evil, Luck, Trickery
  Mielikki -- Animal, Good, Plant, Travel
  Mystra -- Good, Knowledge, Magic
  Oghma -- Knowledge, Luck, Travel, Trickery
  Selune -- Chaos, Good, Protection, Travel
  Shar -- Darkness, Evil, Knowledge
  Shaundakul -- Air, Chaos, Protection, Travel
  Silvanus -- Animal, Plant, Protection, Water
  Sune -- Chaos, Good, Protection, Time*
  Talos -- Chaos, Destruction, Evil, Fire, Air*
  Tempus -- Chaos, Protection, Strength, War
  Torm -- Good, Healing, Law, Protection, Strength
  Tymora -- Chaos, Good, Protection, Luck, Travel
  Tyr -- Good, Knowledge, Law, War
  Umberlee -- Chaos, Destruction, Evil, Water
  Uthgar -- Animal, Chaos, Fury*, Strength, War
  Waukeen -- Knowledge, Protection, Travel
  
  
  OTHER POWERS:
  
  Akadi -- Air, Travel, Trickery
  Auril -- Air, Cold*, Evil, Water
  Beshaba -- Chaos, Evil, Luck, Trickery
  Deneir -- Good, Knowledge, Protection
  Eldath -- Good, Plant, Protection, Water
  Finder Wyvernspur -- Chaos, Luck*, Time*
  Garagos -- Chaos, Destruction, Fury*, Strength, War
  Gargauth -- Evil, Law, Trickery
  Grumbar -- Earth, Time, Protection*
  Gwaeron Windstrom -- Animal, Good, Knowledge, Plant, Travel
  Hoar -- Fury*, Law, Time*, Travel
  Istishia -- Destruction, Travel, Water
  Jergal -- Death*, Law, Time*, Undeath*
  Lliira -- Chaos, Good, Travel
  Loviatar -- Evil , Fury*, Law, Strength
  Lurue -- Animal, Chaos, Good , Healing,
  Milil -- Good, Knowledge, Dream*
  Nobanion -- Animal, Good, Law
  Red Knight -- Knowledge*, Law, War
  Savras -- Knowledge, Law, Magic
  Sharess -- Chaos, Good, Travel, Trickery,
  Shiallia -- Animal, Good, Plant
  Siamorphe -- Knowledge, Law, Time*
  Talona -- Chaos, Destruction, Evil
  Tiamat -- Evil, Law, Strength*
  Ubtao -- Plant, Protection, Time*, Earth*
  Ulutiu -- Animal, Law, Protection, Strength
  Valkur -- Air, Chaos, Good, Protection, Water*
  Velsharoon -- Death, Evil, Magic, Undeath
  
  
  MORDINSAMMIN
  
  Moradin – earth, good, law, protection
  Abbathor – darkness, dream, evil, trickery
  Berronar – good, healing, law, protection
  Clangeddin – good, law, strength, war
  Dumathoin – earth, knowledge, protection
  Laduguer – darkness, evil, magic, protection
  Sharindlar – dream, good, healing
  Vergadain – travel, trickery, knowledge
  Dugmaren – good, knowledge, time
  Gorm Gulthyn – good, law, protection, war
  Marthammor Duin – good, protection, travel
  Thard Harr – animal, good, plant, travel
  Deep Duerra – darkness, destruction, evil, war
  Haela Brightaxe – fury, good, luck, war
  
  
  SELDARINE
  
  Corellon – good, magic, protection, war
  Angharrad – good, knowledge, plant, protection
  Aedried Faenya – chaos, good, air, animal
  Deep Sashelas – chaos, good, knowledge, water
  Erevan Ilesere – chaos, dream, trickery, travel
  Hanali Cenali – dream, good, magic, protection
  Labelas Enoreth – dream, good, knowledge, time
  Rillifane Ralathil – chaos, good, plant, protection
  Sehanine Moonbow – dream, good, knowledge, travel
  Solonor Thelandira – good, plant, travel, war
  Fenmarel Mestarine – chaos, travel, plant, animal
  Shevarash – darkness, destruction, travel, war
  
  
  DROW
  
  Ghaunadaur – evil, darkness, destruction, war
  Kiaransalee – evil, darkness, death, undeath
  Lloth – chaos, darkness, destruction, evil, trickery
  Selvetarm – chaos, evil, fury*, war, strength
  Vhaeraun – chaos, evil, travel, trickery
  
  
  GNOME
  
  Garl Glittergold – law, good, protection, trickery
  Baervan – good, animal, plant, travel
  Calladuran – earth, darkness, protection, strength
  Flandal – darkness, good, earth, fine
  Nebulun / Gond – earth, fire, knowledge, magic
  Segojan – good, earth, death
  Urdlen – evil, earth, fury, destruction
  Baravar – good, luck, protection, trickery
  Gaerdal – good, law, war, protection
  
  
  HALFLING
  
  Yondalla – law, good, protection
  Arvoreen – law, good, protection, war
  Cyrrollalee – law, good, protection, healing
  Shela – air, plant, animal
  Brandobaris – luck, travel, trickery
  Urogalan – law, protection, earth, death
  
  
  ORC
  
  Bahgtru – evil, strength, chaos, fury
  Gruumsh – evil, strength, war, chaos
  Ilneval – destruction, war, strength
  Luthic – earth, evil, healing, darkness
  Shargass – evil, trickery, chaos, darkness
  Yurtrus – death, destruction, evil, darkness

For the Greater and Other dieties, the (*) denotes non-canon domains, added to fill out the lists or to substitute for unavailable domains. Thanks to Rusty for doing the nonhuman dieties as well.

AcadiusLost wrote: Kelemvor -- Law, Protection, Travel, Undeath*


For the Greater and Other dieties, the (*) denotes non-canon domains, added to fill out the lists or to substitute for unavailable domains. Thanks to Rusty for doing the nonhuman dieties as well.

I get that undeath was only added to the list to replace a canon domain, but why undeath? Kelemvor clergy and paladins have all the thing about destroying undead and necromancers after all.

Faiths and Pantheons wrote: Clerics of Kelemvor consider all undead abominations and do whatever they can to put them to eternal rest. They contend that those who create undead are fit only for swift and utter destruction (an important difference between the kelemvorite clergy and that of Jergal, who hold that certain undead have their uses). Kelemvorite clergy sometimes declare crusades against the undead or against creatures deemed to have caused too much untimely death.

The undeath domain grants you extra turning and necromantic spells (animate dead and create greater undead). Wouldn't it be better to replace this with something else, other than give PCs domains spells they should never ever use? Clerics of Jergal I can see using this, but not Kelemvor.

psycho_leo wrote:The undeath domain grants you extra turning and necromantic spells (animate dead and create greater undead). Wouldn't it be better to replace this with something else, other than give PCs domains spells they should never ever use? Clerics of Jergal I can see using this, but not Kelemvor.

I agree, those spells are completely innappropriate for a cleric of Kelemvor. However, the level 1 bonus from the Domain is Bonus Feat: Extra Turning, which is quite well suited for Kelemvor, much more so than the "Summon Shadow" bonus from the Death Domain. Are Phantasmal Killer as a 4th level spell and Power Word Kill as a 9th level one more appropriate than Animate Dead at 2nd and Create Greater Undead at 7th? Quite possibly, but at least Undeath offers a usable bonus from 1st level all the way along, wheras with Death you'd be looking at having to wait till 7th level to even be able to use one of your domain abilities.

If we could mix and match the two, we could certainly come up with a lot better. The alternative would be giving them no death-related domains whatsoever, which to my mind is considerably worse from a thematic point of view.

Certainly, we could look into domain re-balances of the sort we did for NWN1-ALFA, but being involved tangentally with that effort last time, I can safely say, it was a lot of work, and a ton of the "but # totally unbalances @! No way, because # is absolutely gimped! (etc)" arguments that I've little taste or patience for. If some of you have a passion for that sort of thing, you're welcome to start the process.

In the meantime, I maintain that Undeath is more appropriate (if only marginally so) than Death, for a Kelemvor domain.

Abbathor is listed as having the Dream and Darkness domains but not with Luck. Canon has his domains as Luck, Trickery and Evil all of which appear in NWN2. So why take out a domain that he really has and replace it with one that makes no sense (dream) and one that he just doesn't have (darkness)?

It also appears that Erevan is missing his Luck domain (again canon and in NWN2) and is replaced with Dream.

???

You honestly should sticky this.

I concur with Danubus.

I concur with NickD, and by proxy Dan u bus.

Copy and pasted into the Wiki, because I'm so helpful.

Can we get this sticked or something ?

that this is part of the Wiki now i think means this should be removed as a sticky. Either that, or relocated to the new players section.

You know, i am unable to find this anywhere on the Wiki... but i also noticed there are two things missing with this list -- favored weapon and alignments. Knowing the diety's favored weapon is important if the priest has the war domain. Knowing the alignments, as well, is critical.

I put it on the Player Documentation page (accessed directly from the Wiki>Player menu above). It's under:

4. RP Guides and FAQs
[...]
NWN2 Specific
[...]
NWN2 Cleric Domains


I put links on each of the gods, but some of the spelling seems to be off because not all the links work.

Favoured weapons are on their respective god pages.

*cough* Dont forget any changes made to the wiki since August 27th will be lost once we move to the new site and will need to be redone

Swift wrote:*cough* Dont forget any changes made to the wiki since August 27th will be lost once we move to the new site and will need to be redone

Don't worry, I did all that at the end of June. Except for the favoured weapons and acceptable cleric alignments, all the god relevant information had already been set up.

At the moment, the link to the deities and their domains in our write-up of the Cleric class is 404ing. Also, did this list ever stop being

AcadiusLost wrote:somewhat tentative

and were any of the proposed changes incorporated?