I am saying goodbye to ALFA

[Rotku]

DMA election, not ADM election.
DMA = DM Admin
ADM = Assistant DM

[Mulu]

As Indio stated, if you vote for Rusty, you doom TSM.

Strange, I seem to recall asking Indio why it so important for Rusty to be DMA since he was cheerleading for him so much. I take it he's changed his mind.

Haven't read the rest of this thread because I doubt I need to, and none of this is surprising me. I've had my own negative experiences with Rusty, which is why I dropped out of Standards.

[Rotku]

As Indio stated, if you vote for Rusty, you doom TSM.

Strange, I seem to recall asking Indio why it so important for Rusty to be DMA since he was cheerleading for him so much. I take it he's changed his mind.

He didn't quite say that, but he did make a post during the elections saying he didn't think electing Rusty was a good idea, because Rusty's inability to get on with the other Admin.

[Veilan]

Haven't read the rest of this thread because I doubt I need to, and none of this is surprising me.

Indeed not, why make up your own mind when you can just get by on mental welfare?

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that one .

I've had my own negative experiences with Rusty, which is why I dropped out of Standards.

On a more serious note, I don't quite get this. I have my own disagreements with Rusty on several issues as witnessed on the standards boards, and the team is set up to be a body of different opinions from all corners of ALFA to make for educated and fruitful discussion.

I've never seen any bad problems between you and him there on the boards (in fact, I think you often had some congruency on issues of old-school PnP approaches). I certainly apologise if you felt unwelcome or unappreciated, as I'm heading the team and would have to take some responsibility in it. I valued your input, and the panel actually is about being nonconformous.

So all I can say is shoot me a PM with your grievances, and please reconsider your participation.



As for the rest, sorry for the hijack, please continue your regular drama and flames now .

[Rotku]

I certainly apologise if you felt unwelcome or unappreciated, as I'm heading the team and would have to take some responsibility in it. I valued your input, and the panel actually is about being nonconformous.

Take note everyone! This is what an apology looks like!

[Mulu]

I've never seen any bad problems between you and him there on the boards (in fact, I think you often had some congruency on issues of old-school PnP approaches).

Rusty and I do agree quite a bit about the game; we are of similar mind on many issues, and I can't recall any heated conflicts on the forums. My issues with him had nothing to do with Standards, they had to do with insulting PM's he sent me, which made me no longer want to work with him in any capacity.

Someone above tried once again to analogize ALFA with a workplace. I've always balked at that analogy. This is a volunteer hobby project. Nobody works for anybody else; we all work for ourselves. Now, to have cohesion we need consensus, but consensus is about people agreeing with each other, not one person, even an elected person, dictating terms. It's not easy to herd the cats of a volunteer project through persuasion and example, but it beats shooting them to get them in line. Every admin position in ALFA requires the skill of cooperation. Perhaps that should be emphasized more in elections.

[MShady]

There is no need to engage in forum warfare to solve disputes, and I will not tolerate ALFA DMs doing so.

Rusty, do you really think someone who has read the above sentence is going to talk with you or just quit ?

This sir is an insult. You are not Rick's or any other DM boss.
You are just one ALFAn like any other.
Being elected 3 times makes no difference to that.

Wow. That is such a hypocritical statement from Rusty. So what were all the posts about him quitting as DMA and posting most of a dispute thread against very experienced players about? Who he no doubt continues to press and is probably doing a good job of pushing them out of ALFA, whomever those poor souls are. Ahem.

Calling people out as liars and your fellow Admins out as showing favoritism because he didn't get his way is a bright, shining example of "forum warfare" in its purest form. From his own example not a month ago, nothing really compares to engaging in public defamation after losing a vote. That's not how an Admin should behave. To criticize Rick or anyone else here takes a level of arrogance... we actually see quite regularly from him.

I am sure all of the people who have quit ALFA or refuse to work with him have their own stories to share about him. He is a general in his own war of personal destruction against anyone who disagrees with them. If its not that, he's just difficult, stubborn and inflexible.

He even feels free to engage in personally attacking people in the boards. I remember I criticized Standards once during his reign awhile back, how they were overcomplicated and confining. He didn't address any of the actual criticism and just attacked me instead and questioned my motives making a commonly held criticism.

Or attacking me in chat for managing to survive being on the same server as him.

<Rusty> best thing about MT is that you can still have CHA 8, pretend your PC is likeable, carry around sackfuls of personalised loot, and run away from any DM that challenges you ^^
<Rusty> no, usually just a cleric, but what the hell ;P
<MShady64> Any particular reason you're trying to be insulting Rusty?
<Rusty> I'm waiting for dinner/breakfast to cook. And I'm not trying; I'm succeeding.
<Rusty> Now go pretend to RP wherever it is yr hiding these days.
<MShady64> I never wanted to play on your server
<Rusty> You never want to play anywhere your precious baby might get hurt. Or forced to RP. ^^

In fact, Rusty went out of his way to clarify he was intended to be insulting and attacking me. So forum warfare, personal attacks, public attacks, ad hominem attacks, harrassment seemingly and regular abuse of power as he apparently oversteps his bounds as a DMA, DM and a player (Svif monk farming statics anyone?)

I am actually amazed he has had the time to drive out or drive away so many people.

That he would actually state he has no tolerance for DMs engaging in "forum warfare" is laughable.

Dude, don't go there...

MShady

[coach]

unfrikkinbelievable

the oasis of April 15 in the massive journey across the desert that is pre-live ALFA - was just a mirage

Wynna isn't there some sort of "in the best interests of ALFA" clause that allows you to do something about this? I'm serious, we need to go Live now and I am appealing to you to do something even if the charter doesn't allow you to. Make yourself Tyrannette of A Land Far Away for one week, get us Live and then go back to status quo.

forget recalls, charters, apps, beta stages, standards, clauses, committees, staffs, DM designations, procedures, and any other bureaucraticalpowertrippitypoliticoness

none of that crap matters, what matters is people

especially people smart enough to realize that ALFA is on life support with the only hope of recovery is to get to Live so we can add more people

People who become builders, scripters, DMs and players.

right now and in the past year, talented People have been leaving at a massive rate

NWN1 we made a million mistakes but made them while DMing, playing and having fun

NWN2 we are spending YEARS developing an organization making sure we don't repeat the mistakes and the fella/gal that makes the final charter clause that makes the system PERFECT may look around to find out that he/she is the only one left

[Rick7475]

Rick ran against Rusty.
Rick lost in a fair vote.
Rick decides to quit.
Hialmar immediately decides this is grounds for recalling Rusty, and some other folks jump aboard the bandwagon.

Why don't we cut out the middle men, forget this voting nonsense, and just award Admin posts to the people that Hialmar and his friends think are most useful.

All right, I am not finished posting after all. I appreciate all the support. I found a couple of PW's that work that also have ALFA players.

I am not leaving because I lost an election.

There are two ways to vote, with a ballot, and with your feet out the door.

Rusty can claim that lots of returning DM's went through the App process and were happy with it, but then, where are the TSM DM's? Facts and figures don't lie.

I quit because of no joy. I have worked with perhaps more DMA's as a DM then anyone else save a very few if any. It is just not fun working with someone like that. I was here to have fun. That's why everyone else is here, right?

[Vendrin]

You got support Rick. Just bring TSM live on April 15th whatever Rusty says.

[Lasu]

I feel this thread ought to be locked and the issue at hand sorted out with Rusty, Wynna, and Rick in private.

No reason to continue this argument. ALFA was doing so well with a low level of internet drama and poltickin; let's continue on that way.

[Castano]

I am disappointed in us.

[FanaticusIncendi]

[EDIT: Post meant for another forum, oops! ]

I will have a statement for this thread shortly.

[Misty]

Mshady, the more you post that chat excerpt, the more I find it amusing. Have you any others, sir?

[Hialmar]

Rick ran against Rusty.
Rick lost in a fair vote.
Rick decides to quit.
Hialmar immediately decides this is grounds for recalling Rusty, and some other folks jump aboard the bandwagon.

Why don't we cut out the middle men, forget this voting nonsense, and just award Admin posts to the people that Hialmar and his friends think are most useful.

Why don't you run for an Admin post and try to work with Rusty ?

For the record, I was the only Admin not asking to vote for someone else than Rusty. I'm starting to think it was an error on my part but that's another story.

I worked with Rusty during all his mandates. I have nothing against most of what he does. But he has a communication problem.
This is why I started the recall.

Now if ALFA so badly wants Rusty it can have him no problem.
The recall can fail. It can work and Rusty can nominate himself again.

We'll see and I'll act over the consequences of this.

Just for your information, when Rusty got elected I asked my fellow admins if we should all resign. They convinced me to try and work with Rusty because Rusty said he would change.
We all see he hasn't.
I'm wondering who will try and convince me the next time.
It will certainly be much harder.