Rotku wrote:I've always seen Charisma as averaging out the lot of them - "force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical attractiveness". So I would say Holly is right in the sense that you can have a good looking Cha8, they'd just have to balance out the good lookingness with a negative shift in one of the other aspects of Cha. You're not seriously suggesting that all good looking people are persuasive or have a great ability to lead? Or vice versa, for that matter.
Still wrong. You can not underpay the points and say 'I am prettier but rude or shy'. You may not like this but this is DnD. If you had read the thread carefully you would see your point was already countered
Veilan wrote:
All you're looking for is a cheap cop-out to be extraordinary in something without making the down payment. But that does not work - if you have strength 10, you cannot pull carts with 18 but push them with 2. Or roll attacks at -2, but get +2 damage, because, you know, you could allocate within the stat's aspects. You can't. You can compensate when skills are requirement - but again, only with a hard investment, not with "la la la my persuade score is actually +20 in front of a crowd, but -20 in private".
If you want to be gifted in an aspect, you better have the ability points to back it up - else it's just cheesing. You can use skills to tune where available - you may be able to jump or swim better even with strength 6 compared to someone with strength 12 simply because you trained in that. He's still stronger though. And the guy with Cha 12 is still more charismatic, in all the aspects of the stat, than the guy with Cha 8. Granted, DnD is silly for lumping in so many things into one stat, but splitting them up would make it even more useless, wouldn't it? And the goal, after all, is not to be reasonable... it's to play a game. I am sure reason took a backseat to playability, and we have to make due with it, within limits.
So, your cha 10 dude better not try to ignore the feasible investment of someone with cha 14 and pretend he's more charismatic. Because he, like, isn't. But maybe we need to put in Standards that 14>10 for Jayde to believe it?
mr duncan wrote:Still wrong. You can not underpay the points and say 'I am prettier but rude or shy'. You may not like this but this is DnD. If you had read the thread carefully you would see your point was already countered
Oh, I never claimed to have read the thread carefully. But even reading Veilan's quote there, I disagree. I would say Vielan's example using Strength is an absolute straw man. You look at the website you so kindly linked to prove your last point and you'll see it defines Str as a measure of "your character’s muscle and physical power." One factor. Compare this to Charisma or even Intelligence where it lists numerous different factors. If someone wants to tell me they have an Int of 12, but are a quick learner (like a 13) however royally suck at reasoning and logic (like a 9), then all the power to them. Likewise, a character could have brilliant reflexes and hand-eye coordination but terrible balance due to a burst ear. Or maybe a strong willed, stubborn-as-an-ox thug with very little common sense?
All of this has little relevance anyway, as I see few people actually rping their PC's shortcomings (...I especially enjoy Tam's No Filter aspect ). I think I would truely hate to see actual Stat scores, as I would prolly laugh.
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