The fallen Pillar ...

[maxcell]

For those holdouts hoping to overturn this, know now that I will be against you and shake mightly for your doom draws nigh, nay your doom is upon thee, nay your (too much? yeah I thought so too)

I truly doubt we would ever hit the population numbers again, at least on the current game platform, that would require that. Rest easy, Witchdoctor.

Now about about the pain in my shoulder,....it hurts when I do this ...

[Witchdoctor]

I truly doubt we would ever hit the population numbers again, at least on the current game platform, that would require that. Rest easy, Witchdoctor.

Now about about the pain in my shoulder,....it hurts when I do this ...

Well don't do that then

[Galadorn]

For those holdouts hoping to overturn this, know now that I will be against you and shake mightly for your doom draws nigh, nay your doom is upon thee, nay your (too much? yeah I thought so too)

Don't shake at me! But when the 2 PC rule came into effect a heavy weight of sadness pushed down and crunched my giddy heart. The one pillar I really was proud for ALFA having, that I just still can't believe is gone, was the 1 PC only rule.

I absolutely know why it was brought in. Go for it. Have fun if needing a 2nd PC does that...and if playing 1 PC, retiring when ready and making another is "not fun" or "not as fun", for me, it was about sticking to a story, and low player density or not, it was never an issue in the least for me to play 1, and have more than enough fun with only 1.

JUST RAMBLING AND PASSIVELY VENTING BELOW THIS: Please don't even read it if you are in a mood to be trashing me...yes, i'm an old player, who hates the 2 PC rule... so read on for kicks if you're bored, but perhaps your time would be better spent playing than reading another one or two of my (pointless) opinions about 2 PC shite rule.



Now... one of these "big reasons" advocates for the 2nd PC state paramount to its institution is:

"If my 1st PC is on MS, and no other players are on MS, and I wanna play with the 3 players on TSM right now, I can roll a 2nd PC and play TSM now! yay!"

Absolutely. You just found a way, to RP with others right now. Great!

But... allow me to parry, dodge, and block this idea...

You have no idea how many people have sent me this tell: (and this is not even the biggest reason i hate the 2 PC rule)

"Aw shit, can't meet up on BG, my 2nd PC is on BG, not allow to go there"

The immediate above shows the OPPOSITE result for me (and has to be for others) that a 2nd PC increases RP possibilities . And you'd be very surprised how many times i've seen that message: "I cannot meet to RP with you on Server A, sorry, cause my 2nd PC is on Server A".

That 2nd PC has NOTHING to do with the RP that is fun and that "should IC happen" with the 1st PC... with my PC.

So... for me, RP with another player for specific IC purposes in this case (of many), cannot happen, for an entirely OOC reason...thus no RP! with an OOC source blocking it at that.

Riposte, parry, deflect....

The biggest thing for me though, was retirement. It really was something of a special awe that revolved around a player who did stick to one PC, for such a long time (if that PC wasn't powergamed to a high level quickly).
Additionally (for me), was the true special feeling of achievement and satisfaction any player I think would get/feel when he/she after playing a PC for so long, most likely made such an impact on the Realm, decided... it's time. Retire. Maybe as an NPC to forever be a permanent fixture somewhere on a live server. A monument if you will to memories and nostalgia for every player maybe who encountered that PC when that PC was active, and especially for the player who played that PC for so long, and decided; "Hey, what a great run. Retire." ...then make a new PC and play on.

****But now*****: Guess what. Not only, can EVERYONE keep their high level PC active... when a 2nd PC is made... the first uber PC NEVER EVER needs to ...pass on... even if that PC's time REALLY HAS passed. Retirement is needed. Get over it. It should never be forced! But a player should know when that time has come.
And don't get me started on "retro-actively" allowing already Retired PCs back, after the 2 PC rule came into effect after older PCs were already retired. OMG i think i really did cry when I realised this was allowed.
*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

ha! boy i'm in trouble now. Oh well.

Anyway, holy RE-HASH a dead horse, sorry to have brought again this negativity.

I will never ever think that ALFA won this round. As i said before, i know why it happened. I can adapt since i LOVE this server group and the community...but with an echoing sigh:

"Meh."


Let's hope permadeath sticks!

[Witchdoctor]

I respect your opinion Galadorn. I don't have the same experience, but I do understand that for you this is not a good change. Does not change my feelings on it, but I hate that it does lessen your enjoyment in any way. Won't bore you with suggestions of how to meet up and rp with folks. You are all old enough to figure out a solution to that.

Was just kidding about the doom thing. I will leave the kraken dormant for now

[Galadorn]

No doom fo'me?!

Sweeeeeeeeet.

[danielmn]

Voted in favor of.

Never had a 2nd pc. Never really has been an issue. (but I usually tend to stick to one server, unlike Gala whom loves to travel..so I can def. see his point of veiw.)

Likely never have a 2nd pc. Glad it helps the majority of alfa, sucks that it hurts the minority. But as long as it is 2v1, it's the way we'll lean as a community. Thanks for the post Gala!

[Galadorn]

Oh yes, and I agree totally with that Dan, it's true it's true!

Still wish even with the 2 PC rule... that retired PCs stayed retired, and that when a PC's time has come, to ket them go... But tis juss moi!

[Mikayla]

OK, I get the 2 PC thing but retired PCs can be unretired?!? Really?

[Wild Wombat]

OK, I get the 2 PC thing but retired PCs can be unretired?!? Really?

What, you haven't run into Croaker yet? Get your ass to The Western Heartlands. He has a nice little B&B there.

*looks off stage*

Oh, I have just been informed that if you unretire a dead PC he is still dead. Damn.

[Rumple C]

OK, I get the 2 PC thing but retired PCs can be unretired?!? Really?

Yes, there have been cases where the DMA has allowed the unretiring of retired pcs. It is by special request.

Part of the small print of the 2 pc policy is that once the option is used, there is a one week window in which any previous pc may be "unretired" for the 2nd pc. After that - no more.

[oldgrayrogue]

I was/am in favor of 2 PCs. In fact I am just about to roll up my first alt. For me its about options and an outlet to be creative in a different way.

Galadorn, I just don't get the issue with cross server meet ups. If a player is playing an alt on MS and their main is on BG, why can't they just log in with their main to play with you on BG?? 2 PCs give more options for meeting up, not less. You could travel to MS too! If you wanted I mean.

Maybe I am used to it from the whole no playing where you DM rule, but 2 PCs does not seem that big a deal, or much of a difference to me.

Now unretiring PCs I don't agree with. I think players should be encouraged to retire PCs often, and start over often. Stories end. Letting the story end puts the focus on the story as it unfolds not on how you have the end all worked out in your own mind. Longevity and (true) adventuring generally do not mix.

[Rumple C]

I was/am in favor of 2 PCs. In fact I am just about to roll up my first alt. For me its about options and an outlet to be creative in a different way.

Galadorn, I just don't get the issue with cross server meet ups. If a player is playing an alt on MS and their main is on BG, why can't they just log in with their main to play with you on BG?? 2 PCs give more options for meeting up, not less. You could travel to MS too! If you wanted I mean.

Maybe I am used to it from the whole no playing where you DM rule, but 2 PCs does not seem that big a deal, or much of a difference to me.

Now unretiring PCs I don't agree with. I think players should be encouraged to retire PCs often, and start over often. Stories end. Letting the story end puts the focus on the story as it unfolds not on how you have the end all worked out in your own mind. Longevity and (true) adventuring generally do not mix.

well spoken, OGR - especially the last

[Galadorn]

Galadorn, I just don't get the issue with cross server meet ups. If a player is playing an alt on MS and their main is on BG, why can't they just log in with their main to play with you on BG?? 2 PCs give more options for meeting up, not less. You could travel to MS too! If you wanted I mean.

Yaya.
First, if a meeting is needed with PC1... what's the point of meeting PC2? I mean specific IC reasons to meet a specific PC: are not fulfilled by "either" PC.

And while it does seem not such a big deal to some (yet ), I really do get numerous tells each week saying just the above in varying written ways: "Can't meet, got my other PC on 'that' server." or even better: I see the player of a PC that RPs with me regularly who is online... but for hours that player is playing another PC on another server, know what i mean? - regardless of whether in some cases sure, "why not meet the 'other' PC", just the fact that it happens often or at all(!), is a result of the 2 PC rule.

2 PCs is absolutely not more options to meet up if you think of it in this way: It's the same player.

1 Player, cannot login with 2 PCs at once.

Not only that, 1 of those PCs from that 1 Player is actually usually not available to meet up due to different server and/or different incompatible PC for meet up reasons, etc...see what I mean?

So in actual fact: There's actually LESS chance to meet up! Since that 1 player has a 50% chance to be on either PC! And if only 1 of them is the "meet my PC" PC, then it's less! heh

...and yes, I can certainly move myself to another server... sure! But that's entirely OOC, to have to move to another server, because the player of PC2, is physically not-allowed to move his other PC to another server because he has a 2nd PC there. And there are 3 busy servers, and if on TSM, and the other on MS, we can't make 2 jumps without a 24 hour break in between.

Just observations i've noticed (often!), playing 1 PC... when so many have gone 2 PCs. That in fact, the OOC of many messages saying: "No, can't meet, cause my 2nd PC is on that server." is... 100% meh.

But as stated many times, i DO understand why it was done. Just wish the pillars remained the pillars and other ways to fix issues could be altered. *cry* not the pillars!

What IS a pillar ....anyway? ...if it can........change?

And I do understand, "most" of our even low playerbase voted for 2 PCs. Great! It is wonderful our "majority" are pleased about it. Of course... but i have also seen a few VERY valuable players and DMs... leave ...recently...

Is 2 new players.... more valuable than a Player who was here for such a long time as to be considered a veteran player. I bet the same percentage that voted "Yea" to 2 PC rule... would definitely vote: "Yea" on that poll. lol

ah shag it, i always bury myself deeper and deeper...

Wild Wombat ! I'm drownin' ! saaaaave meeee

love it touch it feel it

[puny]

Is 2 new players.... more valuable than a Player who was here for such a long time as to be considered a veteran player.

slightly offensive question

[Stormseeker]

two pc's allows me to play the 1st one slow and steady on tsm, the 2nd pc allows me to play "dangerously"...aka my normal play style on multiple servers.