Greengrass Festival - April 27-28 - Moonshae Isles

[I-KP]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specia ... tm#grapple

Wrestlin' Rules.

Thanks. And also, Christ on a bike! Waaaay too complicated. (I knew I disliked DnD for a reason.) Is this how the normal wrestling thing usually plays out? Must be thrilling to watch.

Never mind then. No bear wrestling.

[I-KP]

Zyrus vs Tam. Perhaps the most predictable outcome within the Pantheon of predictable outcomes.

Wildshape! And time it right, and pick the right form (You do know the pnp rules allow pretty much any animal - only imagination is the limit...)

Pick a dolphin. The wrestling match will end in coitus.

Eew.

[Ithildur]

3.5e grapple rules are notoriously complicated, until you get somewhat used to them at least. The basic formula isn't that hard, it's a static modifier: BAB (not AB) + str mod + size mod (if any; hins -4, bear +4, Zyrus +0); add to a d20 roll. You can use Escape Artist instead to try and break free.

Where it gets complicated is the AOOs (which might be best off simply ignored for unarmed wrestling, though it takes away a big advantage for bears and monks), and the exact results of the opposed grapple rolls, though for unarmed wrestling this should be simplified (attempt to grab/break grab, pin/break pin, MAYBE nonlethal dmg if you're going UFC style - are pretty much the only options; no need to worry about casting, using a small weapon, use opponent's weapon, etc - unless you have a CHEATER who sneaks in a nail or other tiny 'weapon' ala some professional wrestling acts - could be fun *audience gasps as blood spurts from Zyrus' forehead!*).

The DM in charge can discuss with players perhaps and simplify the rules even more for unarmed wrestling; after all it's not the same as live combat grapple where bears can do really nasty things (one of the chief reasons pnp druids can get crazy OP: bear AC, summon bear, wildshape into bear... 3 nasty grapplers mauling away for the price of one!).

[I-KP]

Thanks for the explanation but it sounds too awkward, not to mention supremely bland to watch. Ah well.

[Ithildur]

Not as bland (or silly... swashbucklers being better wrestlers than bears?) imo than straight unarmed fisticuffs via game engine being used as 'wrestling'.

We'll get a chance to test it out sometime hopefully; a lot depends on the RP -fu/descriptions being typed/emoted by players and DMs... i.e. win a grapple check to pin, can be boring old *grapples Joe* or *measures his opponent, makes a quick feint and grabs Joe from behind* *slams him shoulder-first into the ground with a devastating counter, attempts to put him into a chokehold!* *Joe flails helplessly, pounding the ground with his free arm, attempts to roll out of the hold, gurgles in frustration then taps out* etc.

[Castano]

I vote we change wrestling to boxing and use subdual less work, plus with out of engine stuff it's not so fun to watch.

[Zelknolf]

I think that we're writing this out in terribly complex ways, because the D&D rules are trying to account for the crazy. No one's allowed to cast spells or bring knives into the ring, and we're wrestling instead of boxing (so none of this "pummel your opponent" nonsense), so we really have one mechanic: the grapple check.

At the start of the fight, we figure both fighters' grapple modifiers. Math above. Whatever. We do it once and write it down. If you have escape artist and it's higher than your grapple check, you use that when trying to break a pin. (so 2-4 numbers to keep track of here).
Each round, both fighters roll grapple once for each attack they have. Other guy also rolls grapple. If the guy attacking has a higher number, the current position of the match moves over one space in that fighter's advantage on yonder chart:

If someone is pinned and fails to break the pin on their next action, they lose.


I at least would be for hosting boxing separate from wrestling. A slower-paced series of contested rolls allows for a lot of extra writing, which some people are into, while a faster-paced series of punches to the face is much more visual and easier to manage, which some people are into. We've got a whole weekend to work with; bet we can accomodate everyone.

[Castano]

ok Zelk, if you want wrestling, I'll add it back in and keep boxing also.

Thanks for volunteering to run the wrestling event

[Zelknolf]

ok Zelk, if you want wrestling, I'll add it back in and keep boxing also.

Thanks for volunteering to run the wrestling event

Works for me.

Some random NPC has volunteered to referee the wrestling tournament. link

[danielmn]

A local of Corwell, Tocaer Nort, puts his name down to being the final arbiter of the boxing matches.

"I reckon I been in an seen enough tavern brawls ta know what be fair an what ain't."

[CloudDancing]

Trapper Wind has volunteered to judge the Archery Contest and the local bard of Corwell , Dedrick will officiate the bardic contest (with help from the guest judges.)

The archery contest will be played out by level of mastery: Beginner, Amatuer, and Professional

The bardic contest is open to any play, song, dance, or instrumental music that is under five minutes in length.

[Matti]

A notice is posted throughout the Moonshaes towns and villages and in Lowhill seeking neutral referees for the following contests:

1. Boxing
2. Wrestling - Zelk's NPC [Date/Time]
3. Swordfighting - Referee Rumple [Date/Time]
4. Archery
5. Mage Dueling - Referee Nettle [Date/Time]
6. Bardic Challenge - CD's NPC [Date/Time]

The events will each be in two categories: Novice and Expert. (we'll make the level range cut shortly)
All volunteers are offered a seat at the royal hog roast and ample portions of mead.



(We'd like some PCs to step up to coordinate events, mostly it will be you getting the participants to the right spot and having them go in order and keeping score, the engine will do all judging, and we're going to use subdual wherever possible, tech rezing if necessary for the Mage Duel.) Please volunteer in this thread with a date and time-span (and your time zone) of availability

Updated list -

• 1. Boxing - Referee Tocaer Nort (danielmn)
  2. Wrestling - Zelk's NPC
  3. Swordfighting - Referee Sweetwater (Rumple)
  4. Archery - Referee Trapper Wind (CD)
  5. Mage Dueling - Referee Nettle (puny)
  6. Bardic Challenge - CD's NPC Dedrik

Are the different challenges supposed to have their own threads or should we use one thread with a sticky post on top that counts for listing for registered participants?

[Analogkid]

Can we have drinking contests? Seriously, how about throwing in a few contests like arm wrestling, cockfights, bull fighting and maybe some food eating contests.

[Castano]

Can we have drinking contests? Seriously, how about throwing in a few contests like arm wrestling, cockfights, bull fighting and maybe some food eating contests.

Thanks for volunteering, I put you down to oversee the arm wrestling and pie eating contests. Please let me know what time and date and time zone they are to be held.

[danielmn]

Removal of Tocaer from officiation. Thanks!!!