Player poll: Prefered solutions to the density problem?
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Mikayla
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Oh yes, and if I am not mistaken, this very thread is a poll of ALFA's community, by an Admin, to gauge what the community wants. And the poll has an open ended 'something else' option so no one is confined to ideas put forward by the Admin.
ALFA1-NWN1: Sheyreiza Valakahsa
NWN2: Layla (aka Aliyah, Amira, Snake and others) and Vellya
NWN1-WD: Shein'n Valakasha
NWN2: Layla (aka Aliyah, Amira, Snake and others) and Vellya
NWN1-WD: Shein'n Valakasha
The problem isn't so much an over abundance of rules that are shoved down people's throats that restrict us from doing anything, it's that the rules that we have don't match what some people think they should be, and when those people are unbending in their belief, that causes friction.
The direction of ALFA concerns me as it does others, but in different ways. However, I recognise that others have different viewpoints and can't force ALFA in a certain direction, so I try not to nag too much.
Which is a pity really, because I'm always right.
The direction of ALFA concerns me as it does others, but in different ways. However, I recognise that others have different viewpoints and can't force ALFA in a certain direction, so I try not to nag too much.
Which is a pity really, because I'm always right.
Current PCs:
NWN1: Soppi Widenbottle, High Priestess of Yondalla.
NWN2: Gruuhilda, Tree Hugging Half-Orc
NWN1: Soppi Widenbottle, High Priestess of Yondalla.
NWN2: Gruuhilda, Tree Hugging Half-Orc
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Killthorne
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Where is the old Rogue Meercat anyhow?Mikayla wrote:KALFA is many things but it is not a tyrannical dictatorship.
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It sounds to me like folks are discussing how the servers are going to be organized in ALFA2 on a regular basis. It even sounds to me like most people are coming around to the idea of finding a workable compromise. Can I get an Amen?
*holds his hand up to his ear listening*
I like some of the ideas getting kicked around.
I love seeing minimum requirements for the size of a DM team actively doing RP with Players. Giving teams a bit of leeway to deal with slumps in their DM numbers or emergencies so they've got time to recruit fresh blood to the team would probably help as well so that nobody fears getting moved to beta overnight. Goodness knows every server in ALFA has had its ups and downs in its DM population. Life happens.
*points to quote below*
There have been a few servers where whole DM Teams have left when their HDM left. Having an Adopt a Server program might help matters. Finding a new Host if need be, and fleshing out the DM Team.
I would suggest making some flexible guidelines for dead though.
Just how dead does a server have to be before it goes back to beta?
Amen ...
I can find DMs and Players now with my eyes shut. My first 5 months in ALFA I could find Players (twas hard to not find them right after Live), but it took me about 5 months to find a story to latch on to at a time when I could follow it. Add a team of yentas (matchmakers) into this system and I think it will be a big, big help to most Players in ALFA.
It might even be used to help potential DMs figure out where their services might be best put to use if they are flexible about where they DM.
*holds his hand up to his ear listening*
I like some of the ideas getting kicked around.
I love seeing minimum requirements for the size of a DM team actively doing RP with Players. Giving teams a bit of leeway to deal with slumps in their DM numbers or emergencies so they've got time to recruit fresh blood to the team would probably help as well so that nobody fears getting moved to beta overnight. Goodness knows every server in ALFA has had its ups and downs in its DM population. Life happens.
*points to quote below*
There have been a few servers where whole DM Teams have left when their HDM left. Having an Adopt a Server program might help matters. Finding a new Host if need be, and fleshing out the DM Team.
I would suggest making some flexible guidelines for dead though.
Just how dead does a server have to be before it goes back to beta?
*points to the quote below*Increase density by allowing "dead" servers to be removed from live, and put back to beta at the discretion of admin. Note this could include servers with a few active campaigns, even ones your PC participates in.
Amen ...
I can find DMs and Players now with my eyes shut. My first 5 months in ALFA I could find Players (twas hard to not find them right after Live), but it took me about 5 months to find a story to latch on to at a time when I could follow it. Add a team of yentas (matchmakers) into this system and I think it will be a big, big help to most Players in ALFA.
It might even be used to help potential DMs figure out where their services might be best put to use if they are flexible about where they DM.
Provide a clear-and-present system to match players and DMs by timezones and playstyles, for both new and existing PCs. This includes giving existing PCs IC reasons to travel, if need be.
- Currently NWN1 ALFA: Ryld Ky'bler
Currently NWN2: Gwindor Faelivrin, still not actually dead!
Formerly: Timyin Tim, Glorfindel Inglorion and Beleg Thalionestel amongst others.
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Killthorne
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One more post and I am through.
Firstly, I've been rather insulted by the actions and words of people here so many times, my jabs are nothing in comparison. Don't like it? I'm sorry, then perhaps you shouldn't have whizzed on half the people you have. Who are you? God? Don't think so. So don't throw that "you're insulting" crap at me, as you very well know they jumped the gun with this NWN2 crap, without much of anyone's consideration until after the fact. Shall we look at the beginning of all this and who was typing their arse off? Did they care about anyone else that wasn't in cahoots with them? Nope. Did they listen to anyone else? Nope. Only until the dev's from NWN2 started making statements about what might be not possible, did all of a sudden, people started to rethink it.
Secondly, let me agree with a few things. Consistency between servers. I agree, though in part. We need to have similiar scripts, techie stuff, and all the custom material you can get your hands on, on all the modules. From a technical side of things, which most of it I can comprehend, yet not accomplish personally... all of this will be integral to making it right the second time around. This I agree.
I don't agree in shaping and sizing them all like cookie-cutter shapes and stamping them with the ALFA generic brand logo. If you've all moved away from this thinking, so much kudos to you all. Locales should be unique and interesting.
Thirdly, toss the region layout for NWN2 away. It's doable sure, with so much cut-out from the actual layout of whatever land you pick in Faerun...it's not worth it. The tiniest little space, the most insignificant spot in a module ( or Faerun for that matter) can be a site for adventure. I am not saying lay down the detail in outdoors areas to the point it's so lagged out and unplayable, it sucks.... I am saying wait... see... try and work with it. You start making campaigns become point A to B and it just becomes boring.
We need to focus on campaigns. Figure out that it's not how you compile the servers into one blob... or how you limit them.. it's the activity on those servers. Players want a DM right? Yeah, I am sure some just log on to socialize but most want a story. Some interaction. What is ALFA doing to focus on that? That's right. Consolidation of people for the betterment of the community. So you have half-enthusiastic people saying " sure, I'll move over to Sembia to DM/play, since there's no one on the server I enjoy and want to be at." Great. Is that right though? Will they even log on to DM/play anyways? Think about it for a moment.
It's how I felt wholly about being shown the light of what some people want out of ALFA for NWN2. " Great, my server and all that I have planned and worked on, is being lumped in with the Dalelands blob. And no one gives a sh**. Yay. Wahoo. For the betterment of ALFA? " Then it was " Gee, Kill, go ahead and work something out with Murky." Well guys, I was going to anyways. Some of us were already planning to give your region proposal the bird, and do what needed to be done for the sake of immersion and enjoyment. Of course it wouldn't "fly" with ALFA's brand new system, and well, I didn't want the conflict. I don't want to be an exception either, because that's bullsh** and unfair.
Oh. As for this topic, you should know I voted nothing should change. Leave people's gifts of volunteering alone. You look a gift horse in the mouth, and that's the biggest insult.
~Killthorne~
Firstly, I've been rather insulted by the actions and words of people here so many times, my jabs are nothing in comparison. Don't like it? I'm sorry, then perhaps you shouldn't have whizzed on half the people you have. Who are you? God? Don't think so. So don't throw that "you're insulting" crap at me, as you very well know they jumped the gun with this NWN2 crap, without much of anyone's consideration until after the fact. Shall we look at the beginning of all this and who was typing their arse off? Did they care about anyone else that wasn't in cahoots with them? Nope. Did they listen to anyone else? Nope. Only until the dev's from NWN2 started making statements about what might be not possible, did all of a sudden, people started to rethink it.
Secondly, let me agree with a few things. Consistency between servers. I agree, though in part. We need to have similiar scripts, techie stuff, and all the custom material you can get your hands on, on all the modules. From a technical side of things, which most of it I can comprehend, yet not accomplish personally... all of this will be integral to making it right the second time around. This I agree.
I don't agree in shaping and sizing them all like cookie-cutter shapes and stamping them with the ALFA generic brand logo. If you've all moved away from this thinking, so much kudos to you all. Locales should be unique and interesting.
Thirdly, toss the region layout for NWN2 away. It's doable sure, with so much cut-out from the actual layout of whatever land you pick in Faerun...it's not worth it. The tiniest little space, the most insignificant spot in a module ( or Faerun for that matter) can be a site for adventure. I am not saying lay down the detail in outdoors areas to the point it's so lagged out and unplayable, it sucks.... I am saying wait... see... try and work with it. You start making campaigns become point A to B and it just becomes boring.
We need to focus on campaigns. Figure out that it's not how you compile the servers into one blob... or how you limit them.. it's the activity on those servers. Players want a DM right? Yeah, I am sure some just log on to socialize but most want a story. Some interaction. What is ALFA doing to focus on that? That's right. Consolidation of people for the betterment of the community. So you have half-enthusiastic people saying " sure, I'll move over to Sembia to DM/play, since there's no one on the server I enjoy and want to be at." Great. Is that right though? Will they even log on to DM/play anyways? Think about it for a moment.
It's how I felt wholly about being shown the light of what some people want out of ALFA for NWN2. " Great, my server and all that I have planned and worked on, is being lumped in with the Dalelands blob. And no one gives a sh**. Yay. Wahoo. For the betterment of ALFA? " Then it was " Gee, Kill, go ahead and work something out with Murky." Well guys, I was going to anyways. Some of us were already planning to give your region proposal the bird, and do what needed to be done for the sake of immersion and enjoyment. Of course it wouldn't "fly" with ALFA's brand new system, and well, I didn't want the conflict. I don't want to be an exception either, because that's bullsh** and unfair.
Oh. As for this topic, you should know I voted nothing should change. Leave people's gifts of volunteering alone. You look a gift horse in the mouth, and that's the biggest insult.
~Killthorne~
/me steps out of the shed wearing a white kkk hood, red underpants, a yellow cape and black wellington boots while holding a fly swatter threateningly.
I am the elitist leader of ALFA!! Hear me roar!
I am the elitist leader of ALFA!! Hear me roar!
Oh alfa is defenitly worth playing. It's just reading the forums that is a waste of time and should be avoided by all of those who are new to the community and are not cinical and jaded enough to have donned the red underpants.from the point of view of someone relatively new to alfa comunity.....
this is kind of crap that makes me wander weather alfa is worth playing....
playing Nathaniel Ward - Paladin of the Morninglord and devout of Torm (cookie cutter and proud of it)
I very strongly believe that we should not give a DM team a "threatening" incentive to compete for players, or get shut out.
Under such circumstances the quality of RP would deteriorate, and it is very likely some server or the other would find a way of luring players to it by means that may not be conformous with ALFA wealth and exp guidelines.
Having a limitted playing field is nice, forcing teams to compete to pamper players to stay on their playground or get kicked is the other side of the coin, and imho inacceptable, I do not need to name examples from our NWN 1 server setup I'm sure.
Thanks,
Under such circumstances the quality of RP would deteriorate, and it is very likely some server or the other would find a way of luring players to it by means that may not be conformous with ALFA wealth and exp guidelines.
Having a limitted playing field is nice, forcing teams to compete to pamper players to stay on their playground or get kicked is the other side of the coin, and imho inacceptable, I do not need to name examples from our NWN 1 server setup I'm sure.
Thanks,
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Nalo Jade
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GDMs then no one "competes" for servers, because its ONE PW. with ONE DM team, and ONE server that just happens to be so big we had to split it up into seperate modules.
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